Goodbye Bronwyn

[goomboogo]

Not sure about doubling, but this bloke gave his employees a generous pay rise, while cutting his own very generous salary.

It seems that not all staff are happy though, because even the slackers got a raise.

It has been reported recently that he is now renting out rooms in his house because he can't make ends meet on his new reduced salary.

 

[Burt de Ernie]

I don't believe it's a conspiracy, from either side.

Booing is pretty boring to me in any sport. Never been a fan of it except (grudingly) when booing blatant bad sportsmanship.

I'd be surprised if anyone could tell me there's no racial motivation in this instance and keep a straight face.

You are only suggesting the booing is racism because Adam is aboriginal which in affect makes your comment racist.......booing a single person cannot be racist unless of course you consider Adam Goodes a race?

 

[wobbly]

It seems that not all staff are happy though, because even the slackers got a raise.

That's the benefit of Unions for you "it's a race to the bottom" with every one getting the same (lowest denominator) no incentive to perform/contribution.

Why would you!!!

Wobbly

 

[Burt de Ernie]

That's the benefit of Unions for you "it's a race to the bottom" with every one getting the same (lowest denominator) no incentive to perform/contribution.

Why would you!!!

Wobbly

Socialism at its best.........

 

[Black Devil Dog]

That's the benefit of Unions for you "it's a race to the bottom" with every one getting the same (lowest denominator) no incentive to perform/contribution.

Why would you!!!

Wobbly

Oh no, you just went and added another 15 pages. h34r:

 

[goomboogo]

Socialism at its best.........

How is that even remotely socialism?

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Oh no, you just went and added another 15 pages. h34r:

This thread surely doesnt need re-hydrating....

 

[JDW81]

This thread surely doesnt need re-hydrating....

And a single smack pack of wyeast is enough to innocculate a standard 20L batch of 1050 beer h34r:

 

[Burt de Ernie]

How is that even remotely socialism?

Removing incentive for high performers is socialism.

 

[Liam_snorkel]

I don't believe it's a conspiracy, from either side.

Booing is pretty boring to me in any sport. Never been a fan of it except (grudingly) when booing blatant bad sportsmanship.

I'd be surprised if anyone could tell me there's no racial motivation in this instance and keep a straight face.

You are only suggesting the booing is racism because Adam is aboriginal which in affect makes your comment racist.......booing a single person cannot be racist unless of course you consider Adam Goodes a race?

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

And a single smack pack of wyeast is enough to innocculate a standard 20L batch of 1050 beer h34r:

Yep. Sure is

 

[Black Devil Dog]

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[goomboogo]

Removing incentive for high performers is socialism.

The absence of social ownership of the means of production makes your example something other than socialism.

Many workplaces in Australia provide work that is either carried out successfully or not. The idea of one person being paid more than another for performing the same job is redundant in many types of work. I acknowledge this isn't the case for all types of work. It's just that many of us aren't special enough to be separated from the masses.

 

[Burt de Ernie]

The absence of social ownership of the means of production makes your example something other than socialism.

Many workplaces in Australia provide work that is either carried out successfully or not. The idea of one person being paid more than another for performing the same job is redundant in many types of work. I acknowledge this isn't the case for all types of work. It's just that many of us aren't special enough to be separated from the masses.

I know that if I'm not going to be rewarded for working harder or smarter or I will do neither.

The only reason an average person is unable to be separated from the masses is because that person has not taken the necessary steps to be separated. A likely cause could be that one is rewarded for doing less.

 

[goomboogo]

That still has nothing to do with socialism. However, your example of separating oneself presupposes a requirement to do so. If a job requires a person to deliver the same goods to the same sites everyday then why should one person be paid more to carry out the same task than another person completing the exact same task.

 

[Burt de Ernie]

That still has nothing to do with socialism. However, your example of separating oneself presupposes a requirement to do so. If a job requires a person to deliver the same goods to the same sites everyday then why should one person be paid more to carry out the same task than another person completing the exact same task.

Here is an experiment which demonstrates how not rewarding higher achievers and rewarding under achievers (socialism) is bad.

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama’s socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.
The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama’s plan”.. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A…. (substituting grades for dollars – something closer to home and more readily understood by all).
After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.
The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F. As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.
To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed. Could not be any simpler than that.

If I deliver twice as much as you I should be paid more because I am more productive and I earn the company more money. If I don't get more that you I would effectively be supporting your lazy arse and encouraging you to do even less.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

That still has nothing to do with socialism. However, your example of separating oneself presupposes a requirement to do so. If a job requires a person to deliver the same goods to the same sites everyday then why should one person be paid more to carry out the same task than another person completing the exact same task.

Maybe the higher paid worker is in a Union........... just sayin' :lol:

 

[manticle]

As Henry Ford said, 'A man can if he thinks he can, a man can't if he thinks he can't'

I can, I can't.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6A_021cajac

 

[manticle]

You are only suggesting the booing is racism because Adam is aboriginal which in affect makes your comment racist.......booing a single person cannot be racist unless of course you consider Adam Goodes a race?

What? So if I call a single person a ****** **** **** **** ****** poof or any other derogatory term, it can't be sexist/racist/locust/breadcrust/whateverist because they're one person?

Serious comment or taking the piss because if serious I'll buy you a drawing board you can return to at leisure.

 

[manticle]

Here is an experiment which demonstrates how not rewarding higher achievers and rewarding under achievers (socialism) is bad.

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama’s socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.
The professor then said, “OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama’s plan”.. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A…. (substituting grades for dollars – something closer to home and more readily understood by all).
After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.
The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F. As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.
To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed. Could not be any simpler than that.

If I deliver twice as much as you I should be paid more because I am more productive and I earn the company more money. If I don't get more that you I would effectively be supporting your lazy arse and encouraging you to do even less.

Where did you pull that crap from?

I am not and never will be a socialist as I disagree with certain fundamental aspects but at least, if you disagree with it; try and be informed. I highly doubt that anecdote has any basis in reality. It has little basis in what socialism actually espouses and using it as an argument against socialism in a thread that has bugger all to do with socialism (mostly liberal vs labor) makes you look uninformed. You have the right to an opinion but the less informed your opinion is, the less weight it carries.

Again I offer you a drawing board. If you won't take the drawing board, try reading a book.