Former tenant red IPA - Modus Operandi

[Schikitar]

My brother and I are looking to brew a version of this in the next week or two, here's what we've come up with based off of the can and also other sources (our hop schedule looks bigger than above(!?), we've shifted 25% of the total IBUs to FWH and all the late hops to whirlpool/aroma to avoid boil off of the essential oils)..

Batch Size: 21 liters (fermentor volume)
Efficiency: ~73% (brew house)

STATS:
Original Gravity: 1.075
Final Gravity: 1.015
ABV (standard): 7.8%
IBU (tinseth): 79.01 (aiming for 10x the ABV)
SRM (morey): 18.69

FERMENTABLES:
4.3 kg - Maris Otter Pale (62.8%)
1.25 kg - Vienna Malt (18.2%)
400 g - Wheat Malt (5.8%)
600 g - Cara Malt (8.8%)
200 g - CaraAroma (2.9%)
100 g - Chocolate (1.5%) - late addition

HOPS:
20g - Cascade, AA: 7.3, Use: First Wort, IBU: 19.5
50g - Cascade, AA: 7.3, Use: Whirlpool, IBU: 13.91
40g - Galaxy, AA: 15.3, Use: Whirlpool, IBU: 23.32
50g - Mosaic, AA: 11.7, Use: Whirlpool, IBU: 22.29
80g - Galaxy, AA: 15.3, Use: Aroma
60g - Mosaic, AA: 11.7, Use: Aroma
40g - Cascade, AA: 7.3, Use: Dry Hop for 4 days
50g - Mosaic, AA: 11.7, Use: Dry Hop for 4 days
50g - Galaxy, AA: 15.3, Use: Dry Hop for 4 days

OTHER INGREDIENTS:
0.5 each - Whirlfloc
0.5 tsp - Yeast Nutrient

YEAST:
Mangrove Jack - New World Strong Ale M42
Fermentation Temp: 19 C

We're still tweaking..

 

[SolitaryBee]

I just began all-grain brewing, and this is the first thing I wanted to brew. So I signed up to say thanks for the inspiration and ideas. I really want to drink FT regularly, but can't afford to!

My recipe is here: https://www.brewersfriend.com/homebrew/recipe/view/667174/errant-foment-red-ipa-

Compared to a can dated 06/03/18

Appearance (sorry, can't upload a photo as a new member):
Colour is super close. The homebrew (HB) leans ever so slightly towards amber, while the FT has a genuine cherry red hue. Head on the FT is a more tan colour, compared to paler HB.

Aroma:
Not dissimilar! But there are distinct differences. FT smells of resinous pine, stewed fruit, ripe pineapple and dark Christmas cake. HB has a lighter, more green, tropical melon-fruit aroma, pineapple and passionfruit, and lacks the pine of the FT.

Taste:
Both beers are initially malty. FT has an early slightly sour acid, before rich palate-coating resin, big bread and biscuit and strong lingering bitterness. HB is sweeter, bitterness is similarly lingering but not as assertive up front, malt character a bit more restrained.

Overall:
Not a perfect clone, but the home brew is in the ballpark. I wanted to all-grain brew so I could make the beer I really wanted to drink, and this is almost as good as the real thing. I find the slightly more restrained, sweeter (but this is still a big red IPA!) character of the home-brew makes it easier to come back for more, but the FT is the beer that smacks you in the cheeks and makes you pay attention. I’m pretty stoked to have a couple of cases of this in store, especially when the FT is $13/500mL!

Next time I would back the crystal off a touch and lower mash temp.

Any ideas on how to match the big pine hit of FT? I might just have under-hopped.

 

[Schikitar]

Any ideas on how to match the big pine hit of FT? I might just have under-hopped.

Only thing I'd say is that your whirlpool additions seem a little light, I brewed my version last weekend (actually changed from what I posted above so I need to update that) but I had whirlpool and aroma additions at about 6-7g/L each. I also used some simcoe as that's meant to provide that resinous pine hit. I only pitched yesterday so I won't know for a while how it'll turn out.. was thinking about doing a dry hop on day 3 or 4, not sure..

 

[SolitaryBee]

I should add that I sacrificed some Former Tenant to the hydrometer, and a degassed sample was measured at 1017 SG.

 

[scomet]

I really want to drink FT regularly, but can't afford to!

Who can? not me thats for sure, I had to pay $18/500ml! in the west I got a discount for a 4pack even so with 2 cans of Pirate life I got sod all change from $100. wasn’t too impressed with the PL but the FTR is Beautiful but a price tag to make you $hit…
Thx for everyones input into this thread FTR is high on my list of todobrews - Cheers

 

[yochris77]

How'd it come out @yochris77 ? I've finally got to this in the pipeline so will be brewing it in a month or so

I ran late this year on my brew schedule so just brewing my porter in the next week or two which means it'll be towards the end of winter before I am drinking it.

Time to start looking at some ambers and wheats for spring!

Kegged the latest FT clone about 2 weeks ago. CO2 bottle ran out, been travelling and usy, blah, blah, blah.

Did a side-by-side tonight. The MOFT I bought may be a little old. The bottlo is good enough to have a range of mainstream/popular craft, but not good enough to turn them over quick enough to ensure they are fresh. The date on the can is illegible.

Now take this as you like - I don't profess to be a sensory wizard. I am really happy with my brew. It has aroma and flavour, some punch that I missed last time. The MOFT had more of a malty aroma with a hop aroma more towards the dark fruit cake end as @SolitaryBee mentioned. Mine was more to what I would expect from Cascade/Mosaic (biased, i know). Colour looks to be spot on (photo later). I reviewed my water chemistry and I wonder if my SO4-Cl ratio of 5.68 is a little high. Total SO4 was 125ppm. Next time I will aim for a ratio of around 4.

Other than that, I am happy as. At the moment I BIAB+sparge and have dialled in my efficiency so I am hitting my numbers which I did not do last time. My first addition is at 15 mins, so I adjusted my recipe to make total boil time 20 mins. I have no problems with this and would do it again. The additional grain required is negligible cost. As for changes for next time - I think the water chemistry is all I will change.

Happy for everyone to comment and let me know their thoughts. Cheers!

 

[yochris77]

HB is in the Pilsner tulip.

 

[garage_life]

I've never brewed one or used this recipe but I have this saved in my notes. Hope it helps but take with a grain of salt for reference.

 

[yoboseyo]

just wondering, are you doing biotransformation dry hops in your recipes?

 

[yochris77]

Not me. I whirlpool a lot and then dry hop for 4 days.

 

[SolitaryBee]

just wondering, are you doing biotransformation dry hops in your recipes?

US-05 is a strain of questionable biotransformation capacity. It's possible there's some going on (e.g. acting on oils from whirlpooling), but not really the aim of this recipe.

 

[Moad]

I finally got around to brewing this, just sampled out of the fermenter and it is tasting very good. Colour is a little light.

I'll post back here in a week or two with some feedback.



Recipe Specifications
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Boil Size: 107.00 L
Post Boil Volume: 87.50 L
Batch Size (fermenter): 80.00 L
Bottling Volume: 75.00 L
Estimated OG: 1.074 SG
Estimated Color: 34.6 EBC
Estimated IBU: 75.0 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 78.7 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU Volume
20.00 kg Pale Malt, Maris Otter (Thomas Fawcett) 78.9 %
2.30 kg Wheat Malt (Barrett Burston) 9.1 %
1.60 kg Caramel/Crystal Malt - 65L (Bairds) 6.3 %
1.35 kg Crystal, Dark (Joe White) (216.7 EBC) 5.3 %
0.10 kg Chocolate Malt (Bairds) (985.0 EBC) 0.4 %
60.00 g Warrior [15.60 %] - Boil 60.0 min
100.00 g Galaxy [15.80 %] - Boil 15.0 min
150.00 g Cascade [7.30 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 10.0 min
150.00 g Galaxy [15.80 %] - Steep/Whirlpool 10.0 min
150.00 g Mosaic (HBC 369) [12.50 %] - Steep/Whirlpool
6.0 pkg Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05)
85.00 g Cascade [7.30 %] - Dry Hop 10.0 Days
85.00 g Galaxy [15.80 %] - Dry Hop 10.0 Days
85.00 g Mosaic (HBC 369) [12.50 %] - Dry Hop 10.0 Days
170.00 g Galaxy [15.80 %] - Dry Hop 4.0 Days
85.00 g Cascade [7.30 %] - Dry Hop 4.0 Days
85.00 g Mosaic (HBC 369) [12.50 %] - Dry Hop 4.0 Days


mash @ 67


I hit OG about 1.069 and FG is 1.011 = 7.7% but it will likely be a bit more dry than anticipated.

 

[scomet]

I finally got around to brewing this, just sampled out of the fermenter

Cheers Moad, that's a shed load of hops in there look forward to your tasting notes. This is getting higher on my 'brew list' I'll wait to here your opinion.

 

[SolitaryBee]

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Boil Size: 107.00 L
Post Boil Volume: 87.50 L
Batch Size (fermenter): 80.00 L
Bottling Volume: 75.00 L

Well that is rather a lot of beer to both bottle and drink...

Looking forward to the tasting notes on final product.

 

[Moad]

results are in...

Kegged and force carbed so still some settling and mellowing to do but initial taste is bloody good.

It is definitely lighter than the real thing, it isn't quite as chewy as I expected

Bitterness and malt profile are pretty close and it is a little more late/aroma hop dominant than I wanted but that should mellow a little.

I was about 9L over my volume so will boil off a little more next time and that should bring the colour and gravity back to targets.

Even though it isn't spot on it is still a cracking beer, will definitely brew this again

 

[yochris77]

I rebrewed this recently. I found it a bit too dry. I am going to it again soon but will add some Munich this time and possibly look at changing dry hop to get more aroma.

 

[SolitaryBee]

I rebrewed this recently. I found it a bit too dry. I am going to it again soon but will add some Munich this time and possibly look at changing dry hop to get more aroma.

OG and SG? I'll probably rebrew soon too.

 

[yochris77]

1.060/1.008