Former tenant red IPA - Modus Operandi

[Reedy]

My version.....turned out very well.
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Looks good, what was your recipe?

 

[Mall]

https://www.brewersfriend.com/homebrew/recipe/view/472123/red-ipa

 

[2cranky]

https://www.brewersfriend.com/homebrew/recipe/view/472123/red-ipa

Hi Mall,
How does it compare to the commercial Modus Operandi - Former tenant red IPA?

 

[Mall]

Hi Mall,
How does it compare to the commercial Modus Operandi - Former tenant red IPA?

I had an original in fridge and did a side by side comparison....When I do again, I will delay the Magnum to probably 20 mins as it came out a touch bitter which might have hidden some of the maltiness compared to the original...but not overly.

An excellent clone all the same!!

 

[landyjg]

Had another can of this one on the weekend, and reminded me to get around to brewing this one up!
Has anyone else had any success with tweaking this one??

 

[pcqypcqy]

https://www.brewersfriend.com/homebrew/recipe/view/472123/red-ipa

Was wondering what I'd brew next as the weather warms up. Double batch of that recipe looks the business.

 

[Reedy]

I've emailed BYO magazine as they will often contact breweries on behalf of home brewers to get some tips on brewing particular beers.

Have sent them a snapshot of the description from MO's website, fingers crossed!

 

[pcqypcqy]

I dry hopped my double batch yesterday, though the smell out the spunding valve suggested this was total overkill. 300g each Mosaic and Centennial in a double batch. Smells frickin delicious.

 

[pcqypcqy]

Drinking this now. It had a harsh grassiness to it straight out of the kegmenter, but then settled down by the next day. It's perhaps slightly too bitter, and this will probably become more obvious as the hop aroma dissipates.

But, it's a fricking delicious brew and I'm really enjoying it fresh.

 

[Schikitar]

What changes would you make to your recipe? I'm a very big fan of this beer and would love to replicate it some time! MO FT uses cascade, mosaic and galaxy - the choice of mosaic and centennial in the above recipe doesn't seem in line with the original so with that in mind; cascade/mosaic in the boil and then finish with mosaic/galaxy in the cube/dry hop perhaps? How about that malt profile, looking good in terms of colour/body?

 

[pcqypcqy]

I can't compare it to the Brooklyn or the MO beer as I've never tried them.

But, as a beer that I've brewed and drunk, I'd offer the following comments:

The malt bill seems good. Decent colour. Don't have a good photo but it's got a nice red hue to it. Holds itself well against the hops but is in balance.

I did all of the late addition mosiac/centennial as one addition at 5 mins to simplify my brew day.

I would consider reducing or eliminating the magnum 60 minute addition entirely. I would maybe make the mosaic/centennial addition at 10 mins to compensate for the reduced IBU's from eliminating the magnum and see how that goes.

I was sick when I first tasted it so my nose wasn't quite right, so I was getting no aroma which was probably altering my perception of the balance. It's not too bitter by any means, and it's very fresh in the keg so still settling down.

I took it to the brew club on Saturday and a few people commented on the bitterness and agreed with what I suggested above as something to try next time, but everyone enjoyed it as is. No comments on accuracy of the clone.

 

[Bob_Loblaw]

I have this cold conditioning now however the FG was a little higher than I expected. Target was 1.013 and it has finished at 1.020. Will end up coming in at 6.5% instead of the required 7.8%. I suspect I should have mashed a little lower than the 67deg that I used.

What temp did everyone else mash at?

I think this is still going to be an incredible drop as the aroma coming off the fermenter after dry-hopping is divine.

 

[goatchop41]

I have this cold conditioning now however the FG was a little higher than I expected. Target was 1.013 and it has finished at 1.020. Will end up coming in at 6.5% instead of the required 7.8%. I suspect I should have mashed a little lower than the 67deg that I used.

That there is a yeast problem, not a mash temp problem. Mashing at 67 isn't going to make you end up 7 points higher.
I'd be looking at yeast pitch rate, oxygenation of the wort, and fermentation temps/ramping towards the end of fermentation.

 

[Bob_Loblaw]

That there is a yeast problem, not a mash temp problem. Mashing at 67 isn't going to make you end up 7 points higher.
I'd be looking at yeast pitch rate, oxygenation of the wort, and fermentation temps/ramping towards the end of fermentation.

I pitched 2 packets of re-hydrated US-05, not great oxygenation however this has never been a problem with finishing too high, and ramped up to 20Deg near the end of ferm.

Not sure what else it could have been.

 

[pcqypcqy]

I mashed at mid 60's from memory.

 

[2cranky]

67 is fine. my recipe says 66.7!
I've done a few batches ok. US-05 is pretty reliable as well. Old yeast maybe?

 

[Tony121]

I pitched 2 packets of re-hydrated US-05, not great oxygenation however this has never been a problem with finishing too high, and ramped up to 20Deg near the end of ferm.

Not sure what else it could have been.

Check thermometer calibration

 

[Bob_Loblaw]

67 is fine. my recipe says 66.7!
I've done a few batches ok. US-05 is pretty reliable as well. Old yeast maybe?

I bought the yeast with the grain, but I didn't check the use by dates on the packets - could have been old.

 

[Bob_Loblaw]

Check thermometer calibration

Yep, new digital thermometer matched with the Robobrew's temp probe. I'm very confident of the mash temp.

Just a good reason to give this another go!

 

[goatchop41]

I pitched 2 packets of re-hydrated US-05, not great oxygenation however this has never been a problem with finishing too high, and ramped up to 20Deg near the end of ferm.

Not sure what else it could have been.

What did you hold it at for most of primary ferm before ramping? How quickly did you ramp it?

 

[Bob_Loblaw]

What did you hold it at for most of primary ferm before ramping? How quickly did you ramp it?

Held at 17deg for most of primary and ramped up progressively over 3 days to finish at 20.

 

[2cranky]

I pitch low 20's and over 24 hours or so get down to 18. for me 17 is a bit cool to start a good ferment. if your O2 is a bit low then its even harder for the little beasties to get going.

 

[whoosha]

I copied Mal's recipe and made a couple of minor amendments. It was to enter at MO clone comp but the comp fell through. But I hope to do a side by side in about a week to compare. It may not be quite as hoppy as the original MO Former Tenant,
My recipe is here.
https://www.brewersfriend.com/homebrew/recipe/view/551326/red-ipa-former-tenant-
I didn't get the water volumes, and efficiency right for the mash and boil so had to top up with DME to get the right OG.(final volume in fermenter was 25L). And FG only got down to 1.015 so came out around 7.5%.
Feedback from a couple of serious home brewers (part of a big club) was very positive
Let me know if it the recipe is not able to be viewed.
Thanks to all your tips and suggestions on this post.

 

[Kalthor]

I copied Mal's recipe and made a couple of minor amendments. It was to enter at MO clone comp but the comp fell through. But I hope to do a side by side in about a week to compare. It may not be quite as hoppy as the original MO Former Tenant,
My recipe is here.
https://www.brewersfriend.com/homebrew/recipe/view/551326/red-ipa-former-tenant-
I didn't get the water volumes, and efficiency right for the mash and boil so had to top up with DME to get the right OG.(final volume in fermenter was 25L). And FG only got down to 1.015 so came out around 7.5%.
Feedback from a couple of serious home brewers (part of a big club) was very positive
Let me know if it the recipe is not able to be viewed.
Thanks to all your tips and suggestions on this post.

Hey mate, I wasn't able to view your recipe on brewersfriend due to a "Permisson Error".
Any chance you could make the recipe public?

I'm trying to make an extract version myself....

 

[Dazza88]

Just had a schooner of this, what a great beer. Reading this thread there doesn't seem to be any concensus on a final recipe.

 

[yochris77]

My Former Tenant looks like the below. I am pretty happy with it. I am a rookie so wasn't going to change anything until I brew it again as my processes have improved since I brewed this.

21L Batch
4.90 kg Pale Malt 71.1 %
1.33 kg Munich, Light 19.2 %
0.36 kg Medium Crystal Malt 5.2 %
0.18 kg Crystal, Dark 2.6 %
0.13 kg Chocolate Malt 1.9 %

Mash at 64.4 for 75mins
Batch Sparge

35.00 g Cascade - Boil 15.0 min
18.00 g Mosaic - Boil 15.0 min
25.00 g Cascade - Boil 5.0 min
25.00 g Mosaic - Boil 5.0 min
26.00 g Cascade - Whirlpool
20.00 g Galaxy - Whirlpool
20.00 g Mosaic - Whirlpool

2 x Mangrove Jack M44 US West Coast Yeast

40.00 g Cascade - Dry Hop 4.0 Days
25.00 g Galaxy - Dry Hop 4.0 Days
25.00 g Mosaic - Dry Hop 4.0 Days

OG - 1.066
FG - 1.008

 

[Liam_snorkel]

mash temp seems a little low for such a chewy beer. Looks delicious though

 

[Dazza88]

Cheers yochris

 

[Moad]

How'd it come out @yochris77 ? I've finally got to this in the pipeline so will be brewing it in a month or so

I ran late this year on my brew schedule so just brewing my porter in the next week or two which means it'll be towards the end of winter before I am drinking it.

Time to start looking at some ambers and wheats for spring!

 

[yochris77]

Got to get a lager on first, then I’ll be brewing this again. I don’t think I will make any changes but my process and equipment has improved a lot since I did this last.

Let me know how you go and you thoughts