Former tenant red IPA - Modus Operandi

[Leyther]

Did you ever put this brew on and if so how did it turn out?

I love this beer and I'm hoping to have my new Guten here for the weekend, hence looking to welcome it with a worthy brew and a MO FT clone would be perfect!!!

 

[2cranky]

Did you ever put this brew on and if so how did it turn out?

I love this beer and I'm hoping to have my new Guten here for the weekend, hence looking to welcome it with a worthy brew and a MO FT clone would be perfect!!!

yeah not yet. i was hoping for a bit of robust discussion to develop the recipe.
I'm a bit of a noob so I am stumbling about in the dark really. The light brews I think its pretty hard to make a mistake that makes a **** beer, but the bigger beers I'm not so sure. Doing a version of Janets Brown & a big IIPA this weekend so they will be my first big beer brews.

 

[2cranky]

how about:
Pale Malt 72% 71%
Caramel/Crystal Malt 23% 40L 5.2%
Munich Malt 2.5% 19.4%
Chocolate Malt 2.5% 1.9%
Caramel/Crystal Malt 120L 2.6%

Hops
Galaxy 1.09 gpl boil 60

Cascade 1.09 gpl boil 10
Galaxy 1.09 gpl boil 10
Mosaic 1.09 gpl boil 10

Cascade 1.5 gpl steep 10
Mosaic 1.5 gpl steep 10

Cascade 1.7 gpl dry hop 4 days
Mosaic 1.7 gpl dry hop 4 days

Yeast
#US-05 2 packs

CHAMPION AUSTRALIAN CRAFT BEER IN 2014, THIS BEER IS BURSTING WITH AROMAS OF
PASSION FRUIT AND MANGO DUE TO A HEAVY HAND ON THE MOSAIC AND GALAXY DRY HOPS,
THIS RUBY RED IPA HAS A COMPLEX BLEND OF CITRUSY HOPS AND SAVOURY CARAMEL MALT FLAVOUR FOLLOWED BY A SLIGHTLY SWEET FINISH. 7.8% ABV

 

[2cranky]

I've never tried this beer, but judging by the description on the website, I would remove the early galaxy and mosaic. I wouldn't even do any early additions. Maybe some cascade at 20 to up the IBU, then a shitload of cascade, galaxy and mosaic at flameout with just galaxy and mosaic for dry hop.

yeah i still need to work on the hops.

 

[Ferg]

Here is the recipe for 5am Saint by brewdog. It has the same grain bill minus the wheat and the chocolate. When you look at the order of the malts on the MO website, wheat and chocolate are last - a hunch but I reckon they order them by percentage used so you could adjust the 5am saint grain bill and scale up to give you something more appropriate for this beer.
I have brewed that 5am saint recipe and it is delicious as is but in order to clone the former tenant beer you may want to have a play and add the wheat and chocolate malts.
Given the previous comment about the ibus being on the low side for an IPA maybe keep the ratios of the 5am saint recipe the same?

View attachment 5AM Saint.pdf

 

[2cranky]

Here is the recipe for 5am Saint by brewdog. It has the same grain bill minus the wheat and the chocolate. When you look at the order of the malts on the MO website, wheat and chocolate are last - a hunch but I reckon they order them by percentage used so you could adjust the 5am saint grain bill and scale up to give you something more appropriate for this beer.
I have brewed that 5am saint recipe and it is delicious as is but in order to clone the former tenant beer you may want to have a play and add the wheat and chocolate malts.
Given the previous comment about the ibus being on the low side for an IPA maybe keep the ratios of the 5am saint recipe the same?

Had a couple of the 5am Saint last night!
might have to do a side by side :chug: :chug:

 

[Ferg]

Actually I might just re-brew the 5am saint beer and change out the hops to cascade, mosaic & galaxy. I have a few heavier beers on the go at the minute so something less punchy might be the ticket.

 

[Leyther]

Ive drank them both but IMO the MO is far nicer, I just think they've nailed that balance between the sweet malt and the hops perfectly. I think with a homebrew this is going to be the problem.

 

[2cranky]

The Home Brew 5am Saint was pretty good, but different. The 5S is only 5%. the MO IPA is 7.8%
Think i need to go a bit mental with the late additions.

 

[landyjg]

Hi Guys,

Have been following this one with interest, as the MO is one of my favourites at the moment.

Looking to brew it up this weekend - this is where I've landed. - Keen to hear any suggestions:


Title: RED IPA
Brew Method: BIAB
Style Name: Specialty IPA: Red IPA
Boil Time: 60 min
Batch Size: 21 liters (fermentor volume)
Boil Size: 28.5 liters
Boil Gravity: 1.053
Efficiency: 65% (brew house)
No Chill: 20 minute extended hop boil time
Hop Utilization Multiplier: 1

STATS:
Original Gravity: 1.072
Final Gravity: 1.014
ABV (standard): 7.57%
IBU (tinseth): 60.93
SRM (morey): 22.52

FERMENTABLES:
4.8 kg - Pale Ale Malt (63.2%)
0.8 kg - Munich Dark (10.5%)
0.8 kg - Wheat Malt (10.5%)
0.6 kg - Caramel / Crystal 40L (7.9%)
0.4 kg - Cara Malt (5.3%)
0.2 kg - Chocolate Malt (2.6%)

HOPS:
30 g - Cascade, Type: Pellet, AA: 7, Use: First Wort, IBU: 14.98
20 g - Mosaic, Type: Pellet, AA: 12.5, Use: Boil for 10 min, IBU: 22.62
20 g - Galaxy, Type: Pellet, AA: 14.25, Use: Boil for 5 min, IBU: 23.33
30 g - Mosaic, Type: Leaf/Whole, AA: 12.5, Use: Dry Hop for 8 days
30 g - Galaxy, Type: Leaf/Whole, AA: 14.25, Use: Dry Hop for 8 days

MASH GUIDELINES:
1) Temp: 67 C, Time: 60 min

YEAST:
White Labs - San Diego Super Yeast WLP090

 

[Haydos13]

I can give a little advice, tried to brew a red IPA a few months ago, I don't have the recipe right now but I used 150g of choc in a 25L batch and it was too much, came out murky brown/black and smothered the hops a bit. I would halve that or even less for next time. Also I wouldn't bitter with galaxy, has a nasty twang to it I find. Late hop it to the moon though, the malty richness of red IPA's can make it hard to push through, I used about 6gpl late and the same dry and there was room for more.

 

[tj2204]

I can give a little advice, tried to brew a red IPA a few months ago, I don't have the recipe right now but I used 150g of choc in a 25L batch and it was too much, came out murky brown/black and smothered the hops a bit. I would halve that or even less for next time. Also I wouldn't bitter with galaxy, has a nasty twang to it I find. Late hop it to the moon though, the malty richness of red IPA's can make it hard to push through, I used about 6gpl late and the same dry and there was room for more.

I'd like to 2nd this point.

50gm is about the sweet spot for me, 70gm tops.

 

[Leyther]

Bookmarked this a while ago but forgot about it, anyone tried this one? Sounds like what I'm looking for, nice malt and hops balance https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/homebrew-recipe/shreddin-red-ipa/

 

[Haydos13]

I'd like to 2nd this point.

50gm is about the sweet spot for me, 70gm tops.

Sounds about right. I was also thinking of swapping out a little crystal for some Cararoma which has a nice red hue, could maybe then cut the choc back to just a whisper.

this is my modified Red IPA recipe if anyones interested.

25L BIAB

6 kg BB Pale
0.35 kg Carapils
0.15 kg Cararoma
0.15 kg Crystal 60
0.025 kg Choc malt
10g Gypsum

30 g Magnum @ 60min ~30 IBUs
37.5 g each Mosaic + Galaxy whirlpool @ 0min
37.5 g each Mosaic + Galaxy whirlpool @ ~75c
75 g each Mosaic + Galaxy Dry

US05 @ 18c

OG 1.060
FG 1.015
IBU ~60
EBC 22.5
ABV 6.2%

 

[dirtynidge]

Can I ask if you have brewed this yet?

I recall reading in an interview with one of the MO brewers, he said something along the lines of "if people knew the true IBUs of this beer it wouldn't be classed as an IPA".

To me this implied huge whirlpool additions adding perceived bitterness but low IBU numbers and probably no conventional bittering additions at all.

 

[perko8]

just thought I would bump this and see if anyone has had a go brewing any of these recipes yet?

 

[Mall]

I have one of these in the kegerator carbing up. Will be able to taste Wednesday night when back from Sydney..

 

[2cranky]

yeah,
I put one down the other week. Doing a side by side on the weekend.
It tastes great but i'm not sure how close it is.
Paid 11 and change per can so I hope I'm close!

 

[perko8]

awesome, look forward to hearing about how it tastes!

 

[landyjg]

What was your final recipe, 2cranky??

 

[2cranky]

23L - 7.2%

pale malt 71%
munich malt 19.4%
crystal medium 5.2%
choc malt 1.9%
crystal dark 2.6%

Hops for a 23 l batch
25g mosaic @ 20
50g cascade @ 20
38g mosaic @10
38g cascade @ 10
25g galaxy steep for 10
35g cascade steep for 10
25g Mosaic steep for 10
25g mosaic dry hop 4 days
40g cascade dry hop 4 days
25g galaxy dry hop 4 days

US-05 yeast.

 

[2cranky]

it will probably change after this weekend!

 

[julesmules]

This beer is amazing....I'm trying to work on a recipe, extract with specialty grains. I've come up with this......
1.7kg Pale Liquid Extract
2kg Dried Light Extract
1kg Munich Malt
500gm Sucrose
700gm Crystal 120
150gm Chocolate Malt
50gm Midnight Wheat
30gm Perle 8.0 60mins 28.1 IBU
60gm Cascade 5.5 20mins 13.1 IBU
60gm Cascade 5.5 10mins 8.4 IBU
60gm Galaxy 14.0 5mins 18.3 IBU
60gm Mosaic 12.5 5mins 16.3 IBU
60gm Galaxy 14.0 0mins
60gm Mosaic 12.5 0mins
60gm Galaxy 14.0 Dry Hop 6 Days
60gm Mosaic 12.5 Dry Hop 6 Days
2pkt US-05

IBU 84.2
ABV 7.8


I know it's a lot of hops, but the MO people do say "beer first, no shortcuts"

This is my first post on the forum....any comments are welcome. I do like big beers!!

 

[julesmules]

Oops....23lt brew!!

 

[Reedy]

23L - 7.2%

pale malt 71%
munich malt 19.4%
crystal medium 5.2%
choc malt 1.9%
crystal dark 2.6%

Hops for a 23 l batch
25g mosaic @ 20
50g cascade @ 20
38g mosaic @10
38g cascade @ 10
25g galaxy steep for 10
35g cascade steep for 10
25g Mosaic steep for 10
25g mosaic dry hop 4 days
40g cascade dry hop 4 days
25g galaxy dry hop 4 days

US-05 yeast.

Is this a no chill recipe 2cranky (based on all late hop additions)?

 

[perko8]

So keen to hear what the verdict is from those who've had a taste of their attempts

 

[2cranky]

Is this a no chill recipe 2cranky (based on all late hop additions)?

no I chill to fermenting temps in the kettle.
The late additions give more flavour and less bitterness.

 

[2cranky]

So I did the side by side on the weekend

Colour - kinda nailed it. the colour is right but i didn't gel this one so mines a little cloudy. next time I'll gel. - excuse the generous head in the pic.

They both taste similar but not the same.
Mines only 7.2% the MO is 7.8% but the higher ABV is really noticeable - more warmth.
The MO has more bitterness as well and this seems to overpower the malt a little.
My recipe is malty with smooth caramel and mild bitterness.

The freshness of the homebrew works for this with lots of hop smells and flavours possibly masking the high ABV.

I tasted these with my neighbor and we both actually preferred the homebrew.

I think in my next batch I'll up the ABV to 8% and nudge the IBUs up a bit as well.
Currently comes out at 68 IBUs although it doesn't taste anywhere near that.

 

[perko8]

Cheers! That gives us an awesome starting point, glad you like what you've made. Thanks for sharing

 

[Mall]

My version.....turned out very well.