Brew In A Bucket Why Not Indeed

[technoicon]

ok that makes sense. so you pump from the bottom of your kettle into the bucket, like a recirc sparge?

 

[kymba]

even if you don't end up needing to do the sparge thing, can you do it off to the side and report those findings anyway. interested to see how much sugarz are left

and can you bottle some and test every now and then for HSA effects

 

[MarkBastard]

Are you going to try and compare recirculation with bucket in the wort with bucket just out of the wort?

I was told (and took at face value) that there'd be issues doing recirculation with the bucket in the wort. I guess maybe it's another thing to look for later on. If the bucket is sitting above the level of the tap it should work a bit better. I would definitely like to test this but I won't be doing it for the first run.

ok that makes sense. so you pump from the bottom of your kettle into the bucket, like a recirc sparge?

Yep, in my case I'll be using the urn's tap and hooking that up to the pumps input, and then the outlet goes to a tube that recirculates the wort back into the top of the bucket.

even if you don't end up needing to do the sparge thing, can you do it off to the side and report those findings anyway. interested to see how much sugarz are left

and can you bottle some and test every now and then for HSA effects

That's a very good idea, though couldn't this be worked out by the final efficiency? Do you want me to put the bucket in a pot and do a sparge where I add water and leave for a while, or do you want me to rinse it above another pot and measure the run off SG?

I don't bottle so I won't be testing for HSA.

 

[Steve@PMF82]

Just an observation from following this thread. It might be stupid idea? im not really sure i doubt i will change my technique any time soon as i usually only deal with 2.5 to 3 kg of grain so the bag thing is less of an issue.

Clearer wort would always be nice but i know its not necessary to make good beer.

Anyway i notice with the grain in the bucket is that the plastic being smooth the grain comes away from the sides really easy, i remember pictures and comments about channelling down the sides when recirculating.

I also realise the whole point is to do away with the bag. But when i am mashing in my bag one thing that ***** me is how the grain sticks to the voile.
So why not use the bag anyway, in the bucket? I mean pulled tight, weigh it down so you can somehow tie it off to keep it from slacking prior to use.

Just for the record i have found this thread interesting, i dont see a problem with people talking about what they are doing. Who really give a toss if old mate wants to talk about his tinkering? Lawful science freaks?

Anyway if i was going to give the hard bag method a go i might try it out how i described, i like the idea - similar to a braumeister thing of being able to pull the bucket up, let it sit and drain on its own then run a few jugs of water through it to rinse, its a small aspect to change in the process from using just the bag, but it feels like it would make it that little bit more relaxed and enjoyable not having to do the bag thing.

cheers time for another beer :chug:

 

[MarkBastard]

Anyway i notice with the grain in the bucket is that the plastic being smooth the grain comes away from the sides really easy, i remember pictures and comments about channelling down the sides when recirculating.

You sure that was grain in a bucket? There was a pic recently where someone made an actual BIAB bag with a thicker material for the sides and a mesh bottom, and the grain pulled away from the sides very easily. A bucket's plastic surely would be very similar to an eski mash tun so I'm not sure how what you've said could be the case, but I'll definitely look for that now so that we know whether or not it happens.

I also realise the whole point is to do away with the bag. But when i am mashing in my bag one thing that ***** me is how the grain sticks to the voile.
So why not use the bag anyway, in the bucket? I mean pulled tight, weigh it down so you can somehow tie it off to keep it from slacking prior to use.

Don't really understand what you mean. It sounds like you find it annoying how grain sticks to the voile (I do too by the way) but then suggest to use the bag in the bucket? What for?

I'm going to use the grain outside the bucket the first time as a safety net, but if the bucket doesn't let grain escape I definitely won't be using the bag again.

 

[DUANNE]

- Pump recirculate for 15 minutes with urn set to 'mash out' temps.

- If level is less than desired pre-boil volume rinse grain with the amount of water needed at mash out temps

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so a vorlouf step and possibly a sparge? just what are the advantages over a batch sparge 3v setup? isnt the time saved in biab mostly atrributed to not needing a vorlouf or sparge step?
good luck with it all but it still just seems a very complicated way of doing something simple to me.

 

[Steve@PMF82]

You sure that was grain in a bucket? There was a pic recently where someone made an actual BIAB bag with a thicker material for the sides and a mesh bottom, and the grain pulled away from the sides very easily. A bucket's plastic surely would be very similar to an eski mash tun so I'm not sure how what you've said could be the case, but I'll definitely look for that now so that we know whether or not it happens.

not sure either ? i would have to look through the thread, it may not even have been this one? :blink:


Don't really understand what you mean. It sounds like you find it annoying how grain sticks to the voile (I do too by the way) but then suggest to use the bag in the bucket? What for?

I'm going to use the grain outside the bucket the first time as a safety net, but if the bucket doesn't let grain escape I definitely won't be using the bag again.

I mean that i want the grain to stick to the bag, if it is in the bucket - this is going by my original thought on what i think i remembered about the grain pulling away from the side of the bucket because the plastic is smooth creates channels. If i have imagined that post in this thread then my whole idea is mute.

Yeah the grain sticking to the bag gives me the *****, but if it was still used with a bucket to make the grain removal process easier i could live with that. I usually go and dump grain outside for horses, then shake, then chuck it in washing machine with what ever dirty clothes are around at the time.

 

[kymba]

That's a very good idea, though couldn't this be worked out by the final efficiency? Do you want me to put the bucket in a pot and do a sparge where I add water and leave for a while, or do you want me to rinse it above another pot and measure the run off SG?

dunno, maybe run a few litres of hot water through it? but like you said, you can just do it with math

i was just curious as the original motivation for replacing bag with the bucket was purely cost driven, so leaving sugarz in there only to be thrown out later doesn't make sense. but you are doing this to make the day easier, so it doesn't really matter in the end

 

[MarkBastard]

so a vorlouf step and possibly a sparge? just what are the advantages over a batch sparge 3v setup? isnt the time saved in biab mostly atrributed to not needing a vorlouf or sparge step?
good luck with it all but it still just seems a very complicated way of doing something simple to me.

As I've mentioned numerous times this is an experiment to confirm or deny the benefits or lack thereof of completing this extra step. If there are no benefits, that's probably a good thing as it means there is no need to bother doing it in future.

If it ends up needing a sparge it's because I didn't use enough water to begin with, so that can be adjusted the next time. Things like this can happen when working with new gear. I'm only catering for if it does happen. I'm not planning for it to happen.

As for advantages vs a 3v setup, less vessels and less cost in my particular circumstances and that also applies to BIAB in my particular circumstances too. Ideally the vorlouf and sparge are a waste of time, I get decent efficiency and the process goes more smoothly than BIAB. If that happens I'll be happy and keep using this method. If not I'll probably go to 3V or 2V with a mash tun. I almost already did that then realised how ridiculous the cost can be. Even false bottoms are god damn expensive! And I'm not interested in 4.5 vessel brewing systems like the 'ghetto' setup either (though I do reckon it's pretty cool)

 

[MarkBastard]

I mean that i want the grain to stick to the bag, if it is in the bucket - this is going by my original thought on what i think i remembered about the grain pulling away from the side of the bucket because the plastic is smooth creates channels. If i have imagined that post in this thread then my whole idea is mute.

Yeah the grain sticking to the bag gives me the *****, but if it was still used with a bucket to make the grain removal process easier i could live with that. I usually go and dump grain outside for horses, then shake, then chuck it in washing machine with what ever dirty clothes are around at the time.

Yeah fair enough, guess I'll know this weekend when I'm for sure actually doing the brew this time haha. Too hungover last weekend...

Ideally if there's no need for a bag I can just tip the contents of the bucket direct into a bin and then wipe it out, should be a lot easier than cleaning the bag out, but this is something I can confirm after actually doing it too.

 

[Malted]

Now we are getting somewhere: Brew In A Bag In A Bucket In An Urn (BIABIABIAU)

 

[MarkBastard]

Sounds like a beach song.

 

[Bribie G]

 

[the_new_darren]

John: Look Ive grown a new fruit?
Andrew: Thats not a new fruit, its an orange!!
John: Its not an orange, its a yellow Babouche!!!!
Andrew: Yeah....whatever


Next thing we will see is the marked improvement of this fantastic new innovation is:

Stainless steel buckets
March pumps
PID controlled interface

Then it will be complete!!!!

From: http://www.howtobrew.com/section3/chapter17-2.html

"The original (at least the most popularized) home lautering system was probably the bucket-in-a-bucket false bottom championed by Charlie Papazian in The Complete Joy of Homebrewing (1984). "

Looks like Briber and ******* are 27 years tooooo late

cheers

tnd

 

[felten]

see kids, THAT is what you call a troll ^

 

[the_new_darren]

Troll or informing the KIDS that what is being proposed in this thread is at least 27 years old????

trolls make comments that have nothing useful to add to a discussion thread.

ie: Those trolls who just post TROLL

 

[MarkBastard]

Correct me if I'm wrong, Palmer is referring to a Lautering system as part of a 4 vessel brewery that just so happens to use buckets, and two of them at that. If you think it's the same thing you are literally senile. Not that anyone was claiming to be doing anything new anyway. This is just an assumption that some idiots have come up with.

 

[jyo]

John: Look Ive grown a new fruit?
Andrew: Thats not a new fruit, its an orange!!
John: Its not an orange, its a yellow Babouche!!!!
Andrew: Yeah....whatever


Next thing we will see is the marked improvement of this fantastic new innovation is:

Stainless steel buckets
March pumps
PID controlled interface

Then it will be complete!!!!

From: http://www.howtobrew.com/section3/chapter17-2.html

"The original (at least the most popularized) home lautering system was probably the bucket-in-a-bucket false bottom championed by Charlie Papazian in The Complete Joy of Homebrewing (1984). "

Looks like Briber and ******* are 27 years tooooo late

cheers

tnd

Seems this has been said before too.- YAWN

I hope this method of producing wort doesn't lead to botulism...

 

[Tanga]

It wouldn't be a show without punch.

 

[MarkBastard]

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