Big Beers Experimentation

[JasonY]

Doc, I think you should enquire about liver transpant ques now! You have been brewing some seriously big beers of late! I think your liver is at risk.

One day I will get around to one but for now reading the reports will have to do. :huh:

Love the 5kg stock of hops!

 

[big d]

best of luck doc
you beat me by 4.83 grams of hops <_<
stay true to the recipe even if the point something is hard.
but i win on ibu,s as mine is 85 and your,s is a lowly 64.4
hope you hit target unlike my effort.
anyway day 2 in fermenter and its smells out of this world.either way its going to be very hoppy and a very enjoyable beer.

cheers in big beers
big d

 

[Doc]

(wish I had some more Weyermann grains)

I used my last half kilo of CaraAroma in the Breakfast of Champions brew yesterday. Haven't tried CaraHell and haven't been able to get CaraVienne.
I used to think the yank recipes were out to just use every grain possible, but the flavour and depth some of these grains give the beer is awesome.
If I've got the energy Sunday will be brewday again

Doc

Currently in fermenters I have:
JS Pilsner Clone
Oktoberfest
Breakfast of Champions (Imperial Oatmeal Stout)
RyeIPA
Creamy Weisse
California Common

Currently on tap I have:
Arrogant Bastard
Demon Ale
Imperial Vanilla Bourbon Porter
Aidans Irish Red
Love Juice Saison

 

[THE DRUNK ARAB]

(wish I had some more Weyermann grains)

I used my last half kilo of CaraAroma in the Breakfast of Champions brew yesterday. Haven't tried CaraHell and haven't been able to get CaraVienne.
I used to think the yank recipes were out to just use every grain possible, but the flavour and depth some of these grains give the beer is awesome.
If I've got the energy Sunday will be brewday again

Doc

Currently in fermenters I have:
JS Pilsner Clone
Oktoberfest
Breakfast of Champions (Imperial Oatmeal Stout)
RyeIPA
Creamy Weisse
California Common

Currently on tap I have:
Arrogant Bastard
Demon Ale
Imperial Vanilla Bourbon Porter
Aidans Irish Red
Love Juice Saison

Love Juice Saison = Semen Saison Doc?

You are one KEEN brewer mate. I'm going to plan my next holiday to your joint to help you drink some of those beers.

Currently in kegs/on tap I have:

Everards Strong Ale clone (EPA)
Ahtanum Crystal Rye Ale (APA)
Eis Alt
Her Majesty's Oktoberfest

Lagering is:
Buggered Up Bock
OktoberFIST

Fermenting:
Munich Dunkel (un-named as yet)

C&B
TDA

 

[Doc]

I'm planning the Imperial Pilsner.
Here is the first draft.

Comments ?

Beers,
Doc

Doc's Imperial Pilsner

A ProMash Recipe Report

BJCP Style and Style Guidelines
-------------------------------

02-A Pilsner, German Pilsner (Pils)

Min OG: 1.044 Max OG: 1.050
Min IBU: 25 Max IBU: 45
Min Clr: 4 Max Clr: 10 Color in EBC

Recipe Specifics
----------------

Batch Size (L): 25.00 Wort Size (L): 25.00
Total Grain (kg): 8.00
Anticipated OG: 1.074 Plato: 18.02
Anticipated EBC: 11.8
Anticipated IBU: 60.6
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75 %
Wort Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Pre-Boil Amounts
----------------

Evaporation Rate: 10.00 Percent Per Hour
Pre-Boil Wort Size: 29.41 L
Pre-Boil Gravity: 1.063 SG 15.46 Plato

Formulas Used
-------------

Brewhouse Efficiency and Predicted Gravity based on Method #1, Potential Used.
Final Gravity Calculation Based on Points.
Hard Value of Sucrose applied. Value for recipe: 46.2100 ppppg
Yield Type used in Gravity Prediction: Fine Grind Dry Basis.

Color Formula Used: Morey
Hop IBU Formula Used: Rager

Additional Utilization Used For Plug Hops: 2 %
Additional Utilization Used For Pellet Hops: 10 %


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential EBC
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
90.6 7.25 kg. Pilsner Australia 1.037 3
3.1 0.25 kg. Weyermann Melanoidin Germany 1.037 70
6.2 0.50 kg. Munich Malt Australia 1.038 12

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
14.00 g. Sauvin Pellet 13.20 23.1 75 min.
64.00 g. Saazer Pellet 3.20 24.0 60 min.
40.00 g. Saazer Pellet 3.20 11.4 40 min.
20.00 g. Saazer Pellet 3.20 2.0 15 min.
20.00 g. Saazer Pellet 3.20 0.0 0 min.


Extras

Amount Name Type Time
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
1.00 Tsp Irish Moss Fining 15 Min.(boil)


Yeast
-----

White Labs WLP802 Czech Budejovice Lager

 

[bonk]

thats one big 'arse pilsner. looks simliar to the link i posted, should be a winner in the big beer thread.

 

[dreamboat]

I sampled my Big Beer last night, the first of the batch.
After about a year in the fermenter, and then 3 months in the bottle (no priming) it is pretty good, but I will give it another 3 months before i sample the next bottle.
Brew was all malt, og 1.118.
Some medicinal aroma and flavour.
Little head retention.
Plum/malt flavours, but very nicely balanced by the bitterness.
Kicks like a mule.


dreamboat

 

[Doc]

Doc's Hourglass IPA[/B}

A ProMash Recipe Report

Recipe Specifics
----------------

Batch Size (L): 25.10 Wort Size (L): 25.10
Total Grain (kg): 6.86
Anticipated OG: 1.064 Plato: 15.76
Anticipated EBC: 27.5
Anticipated IBU: 64.4
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75 %
Wort Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential EBC
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
77.8 5.33 kg. JWM Traditional Ale Malt Australia 1.038 7
5.0 0.34 kg. JWM Light Munich Australia 1.038 20
4.4 0.30 kg. Weyermann CaraWheat Germany 1.037 120
3.6 0.25 kg. TF Crystal Rye UK 1.031 210
3.2 0.22 kg. Weyermann Melanoidin Germany 1.037 70
2.5 0.17 kg. JWM Wheat Malt Australia 1.040 4
1.7 0.12 kg. JWM Caramalt Australia 1.036 56
1.7 0.12 kg. Hoepfner Caramel Malt Pils Germany 1.036 3

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
11.04 g. Simcoe Pellet 14.70 19.8 60 min.
14.65 g. Cascade Pellet 5.40 8.7 45 min.
7.32 g. Amarillo Gold Pellet 7.10 5.7 45 min.
14.65 g. Cascade Pellet 5.40 4.9 30 min.
7.32 g. Amarillo Gold Pellet 7.10 3.2 30 min.
14.65 g. Cascade Pellet 5.40 3.9 25 min.
7.32 g. Amarillo Gold Pellet 7.10 2.6 25 min.
14.65 g. Cascade Pellet 5.40 3.3 20 min.
7.32 g. Amarillo Gold Pellet 7.10 2.1 20 min.
14.65 g. Cascade Pellet 5.40 2.6 15 min.
7.32 g. Amarillo Gold Pellet 7.10 1.7 15 min.
14.65 g. Cascade Pellet 5.40 1.9 10 min.
7.32 g. Amarillo Gold Pellet 7.10 1.3 10 min.
14.65 g. Cascade Pellet 5.40 1.6 5 min.
7.32 g. Amarillo Gold Pellet 7.10 1.1 5 min.


Yeast
-----

White Labs WLP001 California Ale

This is getting brewed today .... finally.
In the mash right now.
Will be followed through with a Saison.
So good to be brewing again. Haven't brewed for about a month (after doing five AG's in a week) yet it feels like an eternity.
I love the smell of the mash mmmmmmmmmm. Can't wait till the hop additions.

Doc

 

[Doc]

I'm planning the Imperial Pilsner.
Here is the first draft.

Comments ?

Beers,
Doc

Doc's Imperial Pilsner

A ProMash Recipe Report

BJCP Style and Style Guidelines
-------------------------------

02-A Pilsner, German Pilsner (Pils)

Min OG: 1.044 Max OG: 1.050
Min IBU: 25 Max IBU: 45
Min Clr: 4 Max Clr: 10 Color in EBC

Recipe Specifics
----------------

Batch Size (L): 25.00 Wort Size (L): 25.00
Total Grain (kg): 8.00
Anticipated OG: 1.074 Plato: 18.02
Anticipated EBC: 11.8
Anticipated IBU: 60.6
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75 %
Wort Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Pre-Boil Amounts
----------------

Evaporation Rate: 10.00 Percent Per Hour
Pre-Boil Wort Size: 29.41 L
Pre-Boil Gravity: 1.063 SG 15.46 Plato

Formulas Used
-------------

Brewhouse Efficiency and Predicted Gravity based on Method #1, Potential Used.
Final Gravity Calculation Based on Points.
Hard Value of Sucrose applied. Value for recipe: 46.2100 ppppg
Yield Type used in Gravity Prediction: Fine Grind Dry Basis.

Color Formula Used: Morey
Hop IBU Formula Used: Rager

Additional Utilization Used For Plug Hops: 2 %
Additional Utilization Used For Pellet Hops: 10 %


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential EBC
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
90.6 7.25 kg. Pilsner Australia 1.037 3
3.1 0.25 kg. Weyermann Melanoidin Germany 1.037 70
6.2 0.50 kg. Munich Malt Australia 1.038 12

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
14.00 g. Sauvin Pellet 13.20 23.1 75 min.
64.00 g. Saazer Pellet 3.20 24.0 60 min.
40.00 g. Saazer Pellet 3.20 11.4 40 min.
20.00 g. Saazer Pellet 3.20 2.0 15 min.
20.00 g. Saazer Pellet 3.20 0.0 0 min.


Extras

Amount Name Type Time
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
1.00 Tsp Irish Moss Fining 15 Min.(boil)


Yeast
-----

White Labs WLP802 Czech Budejovice Lager

This is getting a guernsy this weekend.
Only changes is Hoefpner Pils for the JW.
Looking forward to it.

Beers,
Doc

 

[Doc]

Doc's Rye IPA

A ProMash Recipe Report

Recipe Specifics
----------------

Batch Size (L): 23.40 Wort Size (L): 23.40
Total Grain (kg): 7.92
Anticipated OG: 1.077 Plato: 18.67
Anticipated EBC: 18.7
Anticipated IBU: 95.4
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75 %
Wort Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential EBC
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
67.6 5.35 kg. JWM Traditional Ale Malt Australia 1.038 7
18.4 1.46 kg. Rye Malt America 1.030 7
7.7 0.61 kg. JWM Caramalt Australia 1.036 56
3.2 0.25 kg. Weyermann Carapils (Carafoam) Germany 1.037 3
3.2 0.25 kg. JWM Wheat Malt Australia 1.040 4

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
39.00 g. Hersbrucker Pellet 4.20 20.9 70 min.
46.00 g. Chinook Pellet 12.20 69.4 60 min.
19.00 g. Hersbrucker Pellet 4.20 5.0 30 min.
28.00 g. Hersbrucker Pellet 4.20 0.0 0 min.
28.00 g. Chinook Pellet 12.20 0.0 Dry Hop

Yeast
-----

White Labs WLP051 California Ale V

Kegged this tonight.
Smells and tastes great.
Was a bit dissapointed with the FG of 1.023 but when I was writing it up realised that the OG was 1.080 so the yeast has done pretty well.
Seems to be a good balance of malt, sweet and bitterness flavours.

Beers,
Doc

 

[nonicman]

Doc. I need to get one of your big brews into a fermenter, and the hour glass IPA just seems to hit the mark. Standing next to boiling wort adding hops every minute (slight veriation) is "pure luxury" :lol:

 

[Doc]

Would love to take credit for the HourglassIPA, but it is the brain child of a mad yank teacher/tutor living in Japan.
If fact my version does not do his justice. He hops the mash and sparge water and also sometimes uses a hopback.
Then when he kegs the beer more hops go into each keg.
I think the only part of the brew he hasn't added additional hops is when he serves it (ala Randall the Enamel Animal).
I racked my HourglassIPA earlier in the week and it is tasting mighty fine.

Beers,
Doc

 

[nonicman]

I was reading up on the history of brewing the other day and one article described hopping the water that was used to germinate the grain for malting. I wonder if anyone does that anymore

 

[Doc]

The Imperial Pilsner is in the fermenter and in the fridge cooling down (from 25 deg). Will pitch the yeast before bedtime.
Ended up giving Powell Malts a go (thanks to Gerard from Northern Districts Brewing).
Will let you all know how it turns out but it smelt great.

Tapped the keg of RyeIPA today. Talk about a beer with body. My god. Fantastically full bodied beer with great maltness, just enough sweetness and one hell of an aroma with perfect residual bitterness.
When I brew it again I'll use a bigger starter and more airation to get the FG down a bit more.

Beers,
Doc

 

[Doc]

.....
I think the only part of the brew he hasn't added additional hops is when he serves it (ala Randall the Enamel Animal).
.....

Ok, I take that back. Chris now has a Randall
:chug:

Doc

 

[big d]

and the ozzie randall is probably still lurking somewhere around jayses place.will eventually post the pics if the gallery lets me post.

cheers
big d

 

[JasonY]

Surely you couldn't afford the hops to do this kind of crazy brewing on a regular basis! Would be awesome to taste a beer that had excessive amounts of hops added to absolutely everything!

 

[big d]

ive done the hourglass and the sister star of the sun.both use very large amounts of hops but as im curious about the big yank beers its just something you have to brew once to see what there on about.expensive yes but hey ya gotta try sometime if curiosity gets the better of you.
and they are worth it to.

cheers
big d

 

[jayse]

Surely you couldn't afford the hops to do this kind of crazy brewing on a regular basis! Would be awesome to taste a beer that had excessive amounts of hops added to absolutely everything!

I wonder how CJ goes in japan as it must cost him a fortune, he uses only the best malts also in marris otter for everything including pale lagers.

As far as these beers being over the top on hops i don't think they are as they also have so much malt in them that they should really be quite well balanced,
I found the SSOS was not nearly as balanced as the version of the hop hourglass i did and don't think i'll do the SSOS again but the hop hopurglass will be getting done every few months or so from now on.
Yes the cost of these brews is over double the ussuall brews but iam not in it to save money. B)


It is about time i joined this thread as mine have not really been experimentions.
So in the name of big beer experimenting iam gunna put down one with rye soon as i can.

Oh yeah and i have some cascade plugs ready for the next randall fest!


Jayse

 

[big d]

randall feast.
im jealous <_<

cheers
big d