2nd Fermentation In The Fermenter...

[bum]

As far as the foamy jet, maybe you don't keg and therefore are not thinking about the length of hose and diameter required to balance a draught system so as to reduce foaming.

Nah, I don't. Only ever had a kegged beer in the pub, so yeah, my knowledge is very not great there.

Serving of beer from pressurised containers is just not as simple as opening a tap. Main problem posed by the OP question is that the container in question will not contain the pressure required for carbonation.

Yeah, I didn't think it would hold the pressure - was just asking about the point on its own rather than in practice.

 

[Lilo]

Cranky old prick at the best of times, been to a funeral today so excuse me if I'm a little over the top, but.....

FFS.....................Hello.......................doesn't anyone see the glaringly fcuking obvious here.

80Kpa in a Plastic screw lid fermenter....................Ka Fcuking Boom


Grumble mumble grumble.

+1 Screwy
I have proved it takes a shit load less than 80kpa.... and Ka Fcuking Boom is exactly what happens.....

 

[manticle]

I am confused. Is the assumption that the fermenter can/will blow based on the idea of it being completely sealed?

I'm not in any way trying to negate what's been said by people who have been brewing longer than I've been alive - just trying to make sense.

Brew ferments - makes carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide escapes in small amounts through airlock, glad wrap, whatever.

Add priming sugar, brew ferments again. How does it explode?

 

[kelbygreen]

maybe from the pressure???

I thought if any thing it would be flat from the big air gap at the top. Maybe the bigger the gap the more expansion that can happen though??? I am not to clued up on this. I know yes pressure in there will make the beer come out fast as after racking my brew fermented a little in secondary and I tried to fill the test tube without letting off pressure and it gushed out and shot out the test tube lol. But if you releaved the pressure by unscrewing the lid a tad work??? As by the sounds of it he plans to drink the whole thing in one go at a party so I cant see there being a massive issue.

I still think it wouldnt work but interesting discussion going on here :lol:

 

[Screwtop]

How does it explode?

Wanna know how.......................... Disclaimer:Equip yourself with suitable safety equipment.

Make sure your plastic fermenter is all sealed up, using some sort of HP hosing connect Co2 bottle with regulator set to 80Kpa to the fermenter, then pressurise. Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, buy a new fermenter, or maybe just a new lid. Lazy mans way of finding out without wasting lots of expensive wort etc but still beneficial :lol:

Cheers,

Screwy

 

[kelbygreen]

lol good party trick bet scared the hell out of you haha

 

[manticle]

Wanna know how.......................... Disclaimer:Equip yourself with suitable safety equipment.

Make sure your plastic fermenter is all sealed up, using some sort of HP hosing connect Co2 bottle with regulator set to 80Kpa to the fermenter, then pressurise. Pick yourself up, dust yourself off, buy a new fermenter, or maybe just a new lid. Lazy mans way of finding out without wasting lots of expensive wort etc but still beneficial :lol:

Cheers,

Screwy

Think I'll trust you and stick to bottling thanks.

 

[Screwtop]

maybe from the pressure???

I thought if any thing it would be flat from the big air gap at the top. Maybe the bigger the gap the more expansion that can happen though??? I am not to clued up on this. I know yes pressure in there will make the beer come out fast as after racking my brew fermented a little in secondary and I tried to fill the test tube without letting off pressure and it gushed out and shot out the test tube lol. But if you releaved the pressure by unscrewing the lid a tad work??? As by the sounds of it he plans to drink the whole thing in one go at a party so I cant see there being a massive issue.

I still think it wouldnt work but interesting discussion going on here :lol:

There are vessels designed for use as casks for serving, have not seen them available in oz. Maybe someone could comment on availability.

But hey, go ahead, carbonate and serve from your fermenter nothing like personal experience. Plenty to go around, just wasted some of mine.

Screwy

 

[kelbygreen]

yeah. I doubt I will ever try this but it is something I never thought of haha. I will stick to bottles, Well actually I bet on tax time a nice kegerator and keg setup is comming should get 6-12 grand back haha so that and a new computer, finish the brewshed/office and I will be right then. Misses will complain she wont see me but that happens already :lol:

 

[bradsbrew]

FFS the term use for intended use is good when pressure is present. try bottle conditioning in a PET that wasnt designed for it like a 600ml water bottle.

People should stop posting advice that could cause harm on topics they have no experience or knowledge on. Good on screwy for showing some common sense. And really these days a keg is probably 30 bucks more than a fermenter.

Brad

 

[manticle]

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People should stop posting advice that could cause harm on topics they have no experience or knowledge on. .

Brad

Fair call.

 

[pcmfisher]

I have trouble sealing my fermenter enough to make the airlock bubble B)

 

[Dacky]

Thanks for all the advice guys. Still a couple of questions (even though you have already talked me out of trying this!)

1. Why would the pressure be too much for the fermenter? I can't see the difference to doing the second fermintation in a PET bottle compared to the fermenter - it's just bigger , is that where the problem is - the size? I thought if it was the same rate of beer to carbination drops, this wouldn't be a problem as it would be the same pressure as in a PET bottle with the same ratio...

2. As for the jet stream coming out of the tap if it didn;y blow its top ... how did those 5L Emu Bitter kegs work that were out a few years ago.. didn't they have a tap from the bottom? The Hieneken kegs have it in the top and they are pressurised so that makes sense, but I don't think the EB kegs were pressurised. What if I let the pressure out of my fermenter before starting to pour the beer out from the bottom?

Good discussion going on, I'm learning a lot.

Cheers,

 

[Screwtop]

Thanks for all the advice guys. Still a couple of questions (even though you have already talked me out of trying this!)

1. Why would the pressure be too much for the fermenter? I can't see the difference to doing the second fermintation in a PET bottle compared to the fermenter - it's just bigger , is that where the problem is - the size? I thought if it was the same rate of beer to carbination drops, this wouldn't be a problem as it would be the same pressure as in a PET bottle with the same ratio...

2. As for the jet stream coming out of the tap if it didn;y blow its top ... how did those 5L Emu Bitter kegs work that were out a few years ago.. didn't they have a tap from the bottom? The Hieneken kegs have it in the top and they are pressurised so that makes sense, but I don't think the EB kegs were pressurised. What if I let the pressure out of my fermenter before starting to pour the beer out from the bottom?

Good discussion going on, I'm learning a lot.

Cheers,

Pointless asking us really, just do it, you'll learn heaps :lol:

 

[Dacky]

Pointless asking us really, just do it, you'll learn heaps :lol:

Pointless you putting your 2 cents in really, isn't it mate?

 

[np1962]

Pointless you putting your 2 cents in really, isn't it mate?

You posed a question, you got more than one answer suggesting your plan was somewhat unfeasable/dangerous and you don't accept what those with much more experience/knowledge recommend.
Hmmm ... spot the wanker!

 

[Dacky]

You posed a question, you got more than one answer suggesting your plan was somewhat unfeasable/dangerous and you don't accept what those with much more experience/knowledge recommend.
Hmmm ... spot the wanker!

Mate, I already said I'm not going to try it. I asked a couple more questions to try and get my head around it.

Maybe you guys have forgotten the purpose of a forum?

PS - don't try and get tough over the internet mate - just makes you look weak.

 

[bum]

Mate, I already said I'm not going to try it. I asked a couple more questions to try and get my head around it.

The first question has already been answered above by a couple people (I asked the question if you want to go back and check it out).

PS - don't try and get tough over the internet mate - just makes you look weak.

Haven't you already done this yourself? Twice?

P.S. You could do a lot worse than listen to everything Screwy has to say. He's very generous with good advice. Grumpy old prick sometimes but (even then he's usually dishing out gold, think of it as tough love).

 

[Dacky]

The first question has already been answered above by a couple people (I asked the question if you want to go back and check it out).



Haven't you already done this yourself? Twice?

P.S. You could do a lot worse than listen to everything Screwy has to say. He's very generous with good advice. Grumpy old prick sometimes but (even then he's usually dishing out gold, think of it as tough love).

I haven't got an answer about the EB kegs. They were not pressurised, so why could't I just take the pressure out before pouring? I know it would go flat, but the idea was to drink it in one sitting...

And no, I haven't tried to be tough on the internet. I wouldn't call someone a wanker unless they were standing in front of me.

 

[Bribie G]

In the UK they have pressure barrels (I had 2 of them) and they are the ducks nuts for storing and serving beer at the low pressures suited to UK bitters and Milds etc. However they are made from a far tougher plastic than our 30L fermenters and are shaped to take pressure. However I expect a standard fermenter would take a bit of pressure, enough to provide a pleasant sparkle to a UK style bitter.
I wouldn't hold out much hope of getting a suitable pressure for an Aussie or Euro style lager however.

The Illawarra brewers sometimes condition ales in cubes for dispensing through their beer engines / handpumps but again it's just to provide a bit of a tingle, not really a fizz such as you would get with Aussie pub beer.