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Vanoontour

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Hi All,

I'm after a suitable burner and reg for a 50l keggle. Thought I would ask here before going to the sponsors.

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Waitin for Yardy to post a pic of his rocket launcher....
 

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I use a standard 3 ring wok burner that I purchased from Aussie Disposals with my 50 litre Keggle.

About $55 for the burner + extra $12 or so for hose and regulator from memory.

On a standard brew day it will bring 28 litres of pre-boil wort from post-mash temp (around 70*c) up to boil in around 15 minutes. Which is quick enough for me..

I don't see the point in purchasing anything with more power unless you plan on brewing bigger than average batch sizes. The few extra minutes you will gain are going to seem pointless after days and weeks of fermenting, ageing and conditioning! ;)
 

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I use a standard 3 ring wok burner that I purchased from Aussie Disposals with my 50 litre Keggle.

About $55 for the burner + extra $12 or so for hose and regulator from memory.

On a standard brew day it will bring 28 litres of pre-boil wort from post-mash temp (around 70*c) up to boil in around 15 minutes. Which is quick enough for me..

I don't see the point in purchasing anything with more power unless you plan on brewing bigger than average batch sizes. The few extra minutes you will gain are going to seem pointless after days and weeks of fermenting, ageing and conditioning! ;)
Then how long from 70 deg to the boil??
 

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I'm on tank water so I run hot water straight from the hot tap into the keggle @ 60*c
Which takes about 10 minutes to reach mash-in temp @ 73-75*c

Once the mash is complete and all the runnings are in the keggle at about 65-70*c, it takes about 15 minutes to to climb from there to a boil.

Also if you have a lid for your Keggle boil will be achieved quicker. As long as you readjust your equipment and efficiencies so you don't overshoot target volume and undershoot you O.G
 

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Would have to say the Italian spiral with a high pressure reg. Its an absolute winner and only costs about $100 for the burner. Will boil 70lt in no time.
 

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I have a 3 ring burner, a 20 jet Mongolian and a NASA

My BIAB..........

I started with the 3 ring and BBQ reg on my original 25L batches. Slow but it got there.
I started modifying it, drilled out jets and outlets it helped heaps.
Then I put a 0-207kPa reg on it, it made a huge difference
It ran my single system no problems.

When I got a 50L batch I went for the 20jet Mong.
Got sick of waiting for it to get the water to strike temps, so added a 0-207kPa reg. Helped heaps.
The downside of the Mong is I find it soots up the pot, yuk black shit...

When I started the 100L batches (remember this is batch not boil size, boil size is a lot more) the Mong cried. I used to have to run it so hard the centre jets used to glow red.

I then moved to 2 x NASA burners under the 100L batch and it rocks. One NASA would be enough, but 2 saves times.


With my 3V............

I've only been doing 69L batches, in the big pot from above as the kettle. I have also started brewing in the carport, so wind is reduced a lot (although I do live close to the beach and always brew with the roller door up) These days I only ever run 1 NASA burner under the pot.


IMHO NASA burners (aka Turkey burners) rock. Their downside is they can be noisy, which may not be good if you live in units. It is a great burner to do a single batch, and give the flexibility to update to larger batches later. Don't even think of a 3 ring trying to do a double.
(the Mong with the 0-207kPa reg is also noisy) I've found not a great deal difference in LPG usage between the burners per batch.


Also something to take into account is if you are going to use it for BIAB or 3V

With BIAB you tend to have a full volume strike, so you need to heat all the water to the strike temp up front. Then when you go from mash out to boil you have the full vol.

With 3V you bring approx half the water up to strike, then dump it in the mash tun and then heat the mashout water. In my case this is in the HLT which is elec. So the LPG burners only need to get the wort from the mash temp to the boil (about 30c difference), so it doesn't matter as much if it takes a bit longer. Also I tend to fire up the burner under the kettle while I am sparging, so the kettle is often waiting on me.

Also I'm impatient with the burners on brew day. If more heat can save me time, then I want more heat. You may not mind waiting an extra 15-30mins for it to get to temp.

QldKev
 

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Don't even think of a 3 ring trying to do a double.
Whilst i usually agree with kev's posts, i disagree with this snippet....

I'm 3V and i only double batch. Really can't be arsed doing a single.
I run a bog standard 3 ring burner, of a unmodified everyday BBQ regulator, and have no problems with getting 47lt preboil (double batch) up to a boil, maintaining a boil etc...

My HLT is electric so the burner doesn't get used for prepping strike and sparge water, but i don't have any problems with the 3 ring and bbq reg.

A typical double batch brewday for me, is done and dusted, cleaned up and put away, in 4.5hours.

Get approximately 5-6 double batches out of a 9kg gas bottle too.
 

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Cheers for the info guys, now does anyone have one they are wanting to flick off??
 

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Whilst i usually agree with kev's posts, i disagree with this snippet....

I'm 3V and i only double batch. Really can't be arsed doing a single.
I run a bog standard 3 ring burner, of a unmodified everyday BBQ regulator, and have no problems with getting 47lt preboil (double batch) up to a boil, maintaining a boil etc...

My HLT is electric so the burner doesn't get used for prepping strike and sparge water, but i don't have any problems with the 3 ring and bbq reg.

A typical double batch brewday for me, is done and dusted, cleaned up and put away, in 4.5hours.

Get approximately 5-6 double batches out of a 9kg gas bottle too.

Maybe there are differences between 3 ring burners? The one I had I got from BBQ Galore, not sure what brand was on it (it was a while back).

I remember on the first brew day waiting for it to get to the boil. We had the lid on, and it seemed to take forever. Even once we got to the boil AndrewQld ended up putting the lid back half on the pot to get a more stronger rolling boil out of it.

I seen posts where people are happy with the 3 ring before, and others that are not. Maybe there is a different mj rating in them.

QldKev
 

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I use a 3 ring and your average reg, for 40 litre batches too. Wouldnt say im unhappy with it, but just a little sus on how strong its boiling. i wouldnt want to be asking much more of it.

Im going to see whether a higher reg will sort this before i look at stronger burners mind you.
 

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cant beat a spiral burner, they are good for heat and they are good for economy as well. Plus dont sound like a jet is taking off in your shed like a nasa :p
 

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spiral burner… dont sound like a jet is taking off in your shed like a nasa :p
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?!

PS: my Italian spiral also continues to amaze me by pulling every next brew from my very light bottle.
 

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I went and saw a gas specialist when i was setting up my old rusty clinkety clunk 2 ring burner.
He told me that a standard BBQ reg would provide plenty of grunt for my purposes.

Needless to say, i get a lovely rolling boil for a 28-30 litre batch.
Would need a third ring to get to double batches i suspect, but apparently a standard reg would suffice. (So the gas bloke says..)
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Is that a good thing or a bad thing?!

PS: my Italian spiral also continues to amaze me by pulling every next brew from my very light bottle.

well for the italian spiral I cant see anything to beat its efficiency. Alot of noise and heat can be a bad thing sure it will hat faster but the heat you loose that is not getting directed into the kettle is more then a italian. Having a jet isnt the most efficient way to heat a pot. as you are blasting it with high volumes of air and gas and alot of that and heat is being dispersed around and outside the pot. The italian spiral as named is in a spiral so the flames are not being pushed outwards as much. You will notice that the mongolian burners are using the same concept.

I would use a italian spiral for anything upto 100lts and maybe a big mongolian for bigger boils. With ether burner I think you will get the best efficiency out of them. It is best to adjust the height of the burners to as you get get alot better heating out of them if set at the right height (I am yet to play with this but has been proven many times)
 

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I use a 3 ring for 50l batches, adjustable flow regulator from Gameco helped enormously, still about 40 mins from mash out to boil.
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bugger that. I use my 3 ring in my keggle for a HLT it heats up about 2 deg a min. Then use the spiral on med/low on the kettle when draining the tun and crack it up to about medium when I am just about done will take 10 mins to start boiling once I drain the tun. Although I got a BOC 6000 (think it is) lpg reg and it is on about 1/12th the setting I run the spiral and 3 ring at the same time with no worries at all of the same bottle. As I heat my mash out water in my kettle and the sparge water in the HLT. I infuse mash out at boiling temps and sparge at 75+ so its hard to heat 20lts of water to 75 deg in a 10 min mash out :p
 

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