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What is your experience with DMS?

  • I'm not real flash when it comes to describing flavours in beer and I've never detected DMS.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I'm no mug when it comes to tasting beer and I've never detected DMS.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I'm no beer tasting expert bet when it comes to DMS I know it when I taste it.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I'm no mug when it comes to tasting beer and and I know DMS when I taste it

    Votes: 1 100.0%

  • Total voters
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sah

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There has been a lot of talk about DMS in the "no chiller" thread and we've already read statistics about DMS only being detectable by about 20% of people.

I've even heard of individuals who can detect DMS and indeed like the flavour.

Please let us know about your DMS experiences.

Cheers
Scott
 
You know i don't think i used to be able to taste it. But since giving up the ciggies (well mostly anyway), i'm pretty sure i can pick it up -especially in light lagers. It's don't find it totally disgusting, but it's not a flavour i'd choose to be there.

Diacetly on the other hand i can now pick at 10 paces, and don't like. I've still got an immature palate though.
 
jgriffin said:
I've still got an immature palate though.
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Ditto to that.

Not sure if any of the poll answers apply to me. I have no idea if I can taste it or not as I have yet to taste a beer with it. I brew only ales, many with a good bit of flavour which would mask the taste anyway.

BTW, the second and the fourth answers in the poll look kind of similar. ;)
 
Stuster said:
BTW, the second and the fourth answers in the poll look kind of similar. ;)
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Stuster,

I know who the mug is, ME!

The forth question is supposed to end with "and I know DMS when I taste it".

Unfortuantely the forum won't allow me to edit the questions, which is probably sensible. I guess this poll will be useless.

Sorry folks.

Scott
 
No problem, sah. A mod will be able to fix that up in a flash.

It's a good poll I think. It's amazing really how differently we all perceive things.
 
nothing wrong with a BIT of DMS - too much is pretty awful. bad batches of Scharer's lager probably have the worst around.
how can you not taste it? if you eat a can of creamed corn, don't you taste something?
 
It's a matter of thresholds, I reckon they're a bit higher in a can of corn than in a beer. I've never tasted it in any of mine.
 
It was our first BJCP learning session.
We tasted light American lagers, and some German ones too.

We could all taste the DMS. It adds to the style.

Wanna taste it yourself? Buy a Millers (MGD) and get to know DMS (Dimethyl sulfide).

Seth's 2 cents :p
 
Beat me to it Les. :) DMS seems pretty obvious to me, and seemed pretty obvious to our whole group as Les has just argued. Just out of interest (and apologies if this was stated in the other thread - I'm too lazy to check...) where did the 80/20 figure come from? Is this an empirically established figure? If so, how?? I'd be amazed if 80% of people couldn't taste DMS in most US megalagers for example...

Shawn.
 
I am very curious about that figure too.
 
It's a no-brainer with Miller GD. :(

IIRC It's about 40% corn grits, this is basically giving the DMS character a major head-start. Flavour is very much like a liquid taco shell. :blink:

Warren -
 
BJCP categories for US megalagers allow for, and I quote - "Low levels of yeast character(green apples, DMS, or fruitiness) are optional but acceptable", and in the Classic American Pilsner category "Some DMS is acceptable". "Corn-like or sweet maltiness may be evident"... I'm happy to be convinced, but this doesn't sound like a flavour/aroma that only 20% of people can taste/smell. :)

Experts??

Shawn.
 
I agree, Gough. I had thought those descriptors were an example of american bias being more forgiving of american styles, but the more I learn about ingredients the more I understand where it comes from. I had to scull a can of creamed corn at college once, will never forget that flavour.
 
Shawn and Weiz.

At your BJCP tasting did you experience the highly horrid American megalagers in their 2 entities? eg; Millers GD and the highly crappy Budweiser uric acid? :unsure:

Both about the same adjunct levels... For example; Budweiser is about 40% rice adjunct and MGD is about similar in adjunct level. However the adjunct be corn.

I've detected the yeast character derived "Granny Smiths" in Budweiser. Thankfully actually ... because it's about the only flavour it posseses in it's feeble little body. :lol:

OTOH, Miller has what people would and do perceive as DMS because it's corn flavour fully that's detectable.

I reckon that DMS itself (derived from lager malt) is a slightly different sensation again. Kind of coarse husky/corny and slightly sulphuric. The variables change a bit. However yes, it's known to be there and be very annoying indeed.

If it was all septic megas you poor buggers had to taste I'm glad I wasn't there. :lol:

Did they provide you with a good beer to wash it all down with? :)

Warren -
 
i like tacos. im not sure about this dms thing thou ...

(mind you, my last xmas beer had the bleach taste, which i *thought* was ok at the time ...) [but then i still like resches pilsner/dinner ale/on tap over all other megaswill ...] [[apart from coopers pale ale]]

i think i should brew more ipa's ... hop merchant - bring me amarillo & PoR & fuggles & ekg !

(just to make this more off topic, im listening to mobscene. 2 points for the singer / band )

edit - only 12 peeeps have voted ! u slackers ...
 
Lets see if I can add to the discussion, but theres a lot of good info here already.

DMS = Dimethyl Sulfide = CH3-S-CH3

Cooked corn is the traditional aroma its described as. To me it is also like rotting cabbage or rotting vegetables in general. Its not an unpleasant aroma in small quantities, which threw me off for the longest time whilst trying to come to terms with it.
At very high concentrations it can smell like sewerage.

I can quite confidently say that in all my beer judge training, DMS is the last chemical that I could identify. I am pretty sure that I am one of the insensitive people for a start. But I think because it is so ubiquitous, its hard to give an easily identifiable example. However, other posts have reminded me of a good test...

DMS is produced in the boil, particularly from pilsner malts, thats why its common in lagers. But it is much more abundant when you use corn as an adjunct. Since the Americans do this a lot, their beers tend to have higher levels of DMS (but you'll find it in just about any lager). Anyway, Miller uses corn, but Budweiser uses rice as their adjunct of choice. so if you get a bottle of each, you should be able to smell the DMS as much more pronounced in the Miller.

BTW, DMS has not been detected in space yet, but I guess thats for another forum.
Berp.
 
Warren, U pleasantly surprise me at times with your depth of knowledge and willingness to share. Our first tasting was about pale lagers, so we started with American stuff and advanced to German gear. Maybe the serving order was designed to reinforce the beer snob in us, but the (can I say gutless?) American stuff was happily washed down with the more highly flavoured beers.
Thankfully no "Butt-wiper" lager was served.

After having the DMS pointed out in the Yank beer, I could detect it in the German lagers too. Maybe I was even one of the first to pick it up (but I would hope, with the size of my tongue that it's not just for show - but that's another story...and maybe an new avatar).

To paraphrase Berapnopod's comments: As DMS is so much part of this style, it's hard to pick the individual flavour, and to identify that flavour as a fault, when it's so balanced in most commercial beers in this style. Did I get that right, Berp?

BTW, I'm really enjoying the tastings as part of BJCP training. We tasted dark lagers last time and my tastebuds (and those of other participants) almost experienced a paroxysm, and certainly went close to mac flavour saturation with the Doppelbock.

Beerz
Seth out :p
 
Weizguy said:
To paraphrase Berapnopod's comments: As DMS is so much part of this style, it's hard to pick the individual flavour, and to identify that flavour as a fault, when it's so balanced in most commercial beers in this style. Did I get that right, Berp?

Yes indeedy.
Berp.
 
berapnopod said:
Weizguy said:
To paraphrase Berapnopod's comments: As DMS is so much part of this style, it's hard to pick the individual flavour, and to identify that flavour as a fault, when it's so balanced in most commercial beers in this style. Did I get that right, Berp?

Yes indeedy.
Berp.
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Ah, I might turn out to be a beer judge yet.
Thanks for the affirmation Berp.

Seth
 

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