Which Commercial Kegs Can You Legally Own?

[white.grant]

stealing a beer keg and stealing a milk crate are the same thing. Do you know of anyone being busted for having owned a milk crate?

Actually a friend of mine was done for milk crates (unlawful holding?"??) after he got pulled over for an unregistered vehicle, and was then charged with unlicensed driving. He noted proudly at the time that he was sober -- though he claimed to have never seen the milk crates before in his life *(your honour). Perhaps cause he was stoned?

Anyway, for the record He had 27 dairy farmers crates in the back of his bedford van - they were used as staging for the band. He was the drummer btw. The crates were confiscated and he had to find more the next day. As he told it, after he reclaimed his vehicle with his long expired license and registration, he just loaded the confiscated crates back in, (these are mine too mate!) and drove off. But that's just drummer talk.....

cheers

grant

 

[real_beer]

What a crock the whole thread is, some even taking the opportunity to grandstand with posts to rival The Declaration Of Independence.
Can anyone actually point us to or name an incident where someone was prosecuted for the possesion of a beer keg? :lol:
This would be a joke if it wasn`t so funny, it comes up every few months but no one actually knows of anyone being "caught" for such a henious crime.
Strange, isn`t it? :lol:

stagga.

Hi everyone,

I totally agree, and that real_beer guys a total f*ckwit, don't worry though I've just caught up with him and cut his index fingers off, no more posts off him for a while i think. ogewgog msg;kp (translates as "oh **** that hurt"). .

Cheers :icon_cheers:

 

[Gerard_M]

stealing a beer keg and stealing a milk crate are the same thing. Do you know of anyone being busted for having owned a milk crate?

Yes. Back in 2006/2007 a couple of those Asian supermarkets that sell everything in Rowe Street Eastwood got busted for milk crates. They were using them as shop fittings!
When I was still running pubs a couple of people got busted pinching kegs that were on the back dock. The only reason they got busted was because they jumped the fence to do so. As they lobbed them back over the fence they were met by the cops. Under OH&S I reckon the pubs that don't lock away the empty kegs are in the wrong for leaving a pressurised vessel unsecured. 100kpa will take out an eye...ask ya mum!

Now if you ever find a keg from a micro, make the effort to return it to its owner. I have had a couple returned & the efforts of those that did return it did not go unrewarded.

Cheers
Gerard

oh yeah, glasses on an AHB Pub Crawl are fair game, just don't carry them along in a milk crate!

 

[Jakechan]

Now if you ever find a keg from a micro, make the effort to return it to its owner. I have had a couple returned & the efforts of those that did return it did not go unrewarded.

Umm....Tooheys arent considered a micro are they?

 

[Carbonator]

It may be a bit different if Adelaide as we receive cash for empty bottles

Also OT

ALLY CANS TOO

The point of your remark?

Scenario I haven't tried yet - So if I fill a shipping container with squashed ally cans that are worth 0.5C in NSW (at POS scrap metal yards) and drive to SA to claim 5C per can and make $35,000 @ 20 times per year after fuel and driver wages, is that stolen property or a crime? The cans used to say "Not to be refilled" and had the owners name printed on them before I got them. I can't prove where I got them from either.

As for the milk crates and kegs, it's sad when someone has to score promotional notches on "their" belt by going the extra mile (in being a hero for a corporation they are getting ripped off by themselves) and dobbing you in for something they don't have a warrant for!

 

[Thirsty Boy]

Who cares about the friggin law?
Do you know of a single case of someone busted for illegal possesion of a beer keg?
Yes or no?

stagga.

Why yes I do - when I was working as a manager in the keg plant at CUB Abbotsford, we had incentives in place for employees to report accumulations of unreturned kegs OR cases where they believed kegs had been stolen. They are still in place.

Usually a couple/few times a year the brewery would take legal action against some **** who had either collected a heap of them for some stupid purpose - or if they fond someone re-selling the kegs...

-If you have a half a dozen of the things sitting in your paddock with logs on the tops as horse jumps.. a rep will come to call and basically demand them back
-If you have cut the things up - you might well get a letter from a lawyer as well 'cause you destroyed them and didn't just inconvenience the brewery by "borrowing" them. From there it would be a matter to sort out between lawyers. Charges would virtually never be pressed unless it was a significant number of kegs
-If you are selling them - they will very likely have you charged just to make a point.

Probably happens a few times every year.

So stagga, your ignorance of it happening is just that... your ignorance. Doesn't mean that it doesn't happen.

No one, including me gives a fat rats if a few homebrewers knock off a few kegs (well, maybe the brewery does) I just don't think its fair or right to tell people who ARE interested in doing the right thing and acting legally, that having one of these kegs is OK. It's not.

And yes... if I saw a tip / re-cycle yard selling kegs, I would report it. One or two in a homebrewer's shed.... so what. Some bastard trying to profit from it. Different. And I can assure you, the brewery would get their kegs back - and they wouldn't be paying for them.

 

[schooey]

Scenario I haven't tried yet - So if I fill a shipping container with squashed ally cans that are worth 0.5C in NSW (at POS scrap metal yards) and drive to SA to claim 5C per can and make $35,000 @ 20 times per year after fuel and driver wages....

You ignore the cost of gathering the cans, squashing them and packing them yatter yatter...

 

[FreemanDC]

Did anyone answer the corney part ?

Where can i get legal kegs ?

Finders keepers ? no ?
...............................................

 

[staggalee]

Man fined 1000 pounds

Good try .........but doesn`t count.
He was a dealer making a career out of it.
We`re talking about John Doe and one keg for homebrewing.

stagga.

 

[loftboy]

You ignore the cost of gathering the cans, squashing them and packing them yatter yatter...

:icon_offtopic:

Isn't there a Seinfeld episode where Kramer tried to make a few extra bucks, by taking a load of bottles for recycling into an adjacent state using Newman's postal van ?

Classic show that

 

[loftboy]

Where can i get legal kegs ?

Try NNL Brewing - http://shop.nnlbeersupplies.com.au/index.p...amp;cPath=69_89

 

[jeddog]

I just scored 3 of these 60Lt beauty at no cost

They have no stamp, name or label on them....nothing at all

i think i'll call them mine

one for a mash tun
one for a HLT
and
one for a kettle


nice...

 

[SpillsMostOfIt]

Who cares about the friggin law?
Do you know of a single case of someone busted for illegal possesion of a beer keg?
Yes or no?

stagga.

I wouldn't mind a new kettle and I am too lazy to steal a keg, cut the top off and drill a hole for a tap, so wouldn't it just be easier to thieve a converted keg from some other homebrewer? I mean, they're not going to dob me in, are they?

<_<

 

[Frank]

Scenario I haven't tried yet - So if I fill a shipping container with squashed ally cans that are worth 0.5C in NSW (at POS scrap metal yards) and drive to SA to claim 5C per can and make $35,000 @ 20 times per year after fuel and driver wages, is that stolen property or a crime? The cans used to say "Not to be refilled" and had the owners name printed on them before I got them. I can't prove where I got them from either.

They are actually worth 10c per can/bottle now (been in for a few months, but not printed on labels yet), so you have doubled your money. Load up the truck, and head for the border. I think quite a few Victorians trek over to Mt Gambier SA to do this already. h34r:

 

[np1962]

But to contradict myself slightly, I did walk pass a shop in Adelaide that had a 50L poly sankey keg in the window as part of a display. I am going to check what the brand was and make them an offer. These are not in circulation in Australia, so does that make it OK???

Actually, At least one Barossa Micro is distributing their wares in these kegs.

Nige

 

[Carbonator]

I just scored 3 of these 60Lt beauty at no cost
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They have no stamp, name or label on them....nothing at all

i think i'll call them mine

one for a mash tun
one for a HLT
and
one for a kettle


nice...

Yes, very nice!

They are actually worth 10c per can/bottle now (been in for a few months, but not printed on labels yet), so you have doubled your money. Load up the truck, and head for the border. I think quite a few Victorians trek over to Mt Gambier SA to do this already. h34r:

10 Cents, no that's tempting!

 

[Gerard_M]

I wouldn't mind a new kettle and I am too lazy to steal a keg, cut the top off and drill a hole for a tap, so wouldn't it just be easier to thieve a converted keg from some other homebrewer? I mean, they're not going to dob me in, are they?

<_<

GO FOR IT! :icon_cheers:

" got a taxi home, thought the guy was a **** driver & he charged too much. Thumped him, & kept his cab as the cab company has heaps of them anyway :beerbang: "

same sort of thinking
cheers
Gerard

*There is always a certain amount of piss taking in my posts, it is up to you to figure out how much!

 

[staggalee]

you can use the cab for midnite raids behind pubs for empty kegs. :beerbang:
don`t tell anyone tho.

stagga.

 

[Gerard_M]

you can use the cab for midnite raids behind pubs for empty kegs. :beerbang:
don`t tell anyone tho.

stagga.

We did!
But the meter was still running, it would have been cheaper to buy an ally stock-pot!
Cheers
Gerard

 

[SpillsMostOfIt]

We did!
But the meter was still running, it would have been cheaper to buy an ally stock-pot!
Cheers
Gerard

But aren't kegs stainless?

I can actually see where you went wrong here. You should have turned the meter off so that the taxi company wasn't diddled out of their fare.

 

[Frank]

Actually, At least one Barossa Micro is distributing their wares in these kegs.

Nige

Stopped in this morning to have a look. It is a German import keg borrowed from a Restaurant, that has to go back once the display comes down.

 

[Eugene]

Here is a situation,

I have borrowed a few Tooheys kegs from a friend, he owns several large and succesful pubs in my area, selling LOTS & LOTS of beer from many breweries, he keeps all of his kegs under lock and keg, as he is only borrowing them from the brewery, he has lent some to me, now these kegs are not cut up or destroyed, just kegs.

They can and will be returned to him whenever he asks for them back, where do I stand, I doubt any brewery is going to harass him over 4 kegs when he sells ten of thousands of $$ worth of their swill each week.

Am I borrowing or stealing?

 

[SpillsMostOfIt]

Am I borrowing or stealing?

What does Lion Nathan think? <_<

 

[Carbonator]

Am I borrowing or stealing?

Neither, I think it's "Illegal use of" or "Misappropriation of Goods" not authorised to be in your possession by the owner in any "agreement or covenant that includs yourself" of said items?

However, if you are acting on behalf of the Pub owner, as an agent, representative or contractor, to handle said items, then you are STORING said kegs!

 

[staggalee]

I can`t find a lid for this crock

stagga.

 

[muckey]

I can`t find a lid for this crock

stagga.

theres more peas and carrots in this thread than your crock :lol:

 

[staggalee]

theres more peas and carrots in this thread than your crock :lol:

That`s not what you think it is in the crock, it`s actually stewed apples :lol:

stagga.

 

[SJW]

Didn't SJW call the keg collector from Carlton once upon a time, because of an ebay item or something some such, and told him all about AHB? IIRC at the time there was a minor uproar about it but I haven't heard of him contacting anyone as yeat.....

Yes I did and I never told him all about AHB, as if we are some underground brewing network. But he did not say that what some of u guys are doing is ok (with these kegs) but from memory he said that he goes after and has prosecuted people selling kegs for financial gain and people swiping heaps of them. I think I did ask him about people having one or two for private use and he just said what has already been said here is that they are not for the public to cut up and use and action COULD be taken. But I work in an enforcement role at Council too and I can say with 100% certainty that there is no way in the world they would spend the crazy amounts of money to take a little homebrewer to court over one or two kegs.

Steve

 

[jonocarroll]

Why doesn't someone just make a section in 'Tools of the Trade' called 'Discussions on Legalities of Kegs - Mainly Off Topic' ? That way, when a new thread about this comes up each week, it has a place to live.

As for this;

Scenario I haven't tried yet - So if I fill a shipping container with squashed ally cans that are worth 0.5C in NSW (at POS scrap metal yards) and drive to SA to claim 5C per can and make $35,000 @ 20 times per year after fuel and driver wages, is that stolen property or a crime? The cans used to say "Not to be refilled" and had the owners name printed on them before I got them. I can't prove where I got them from either.

I do recall a few people getting in trouble for doing something similar (buy/collect cans in another state then drive them to SA for the deposit). The cans all say 'when sold in SA' because the makers used to absorb the 5c. The deposit is now up to 10c and the makers decided to pass all of it on in the final price. The folk who got in trouble - sure, they couldn't prove where they got them from, the cops can't prove that they weren't sold in SA, but I believe they were caught coming across the border... How do you answer to "why do you have a truckload of cans" without giving yourself away? "Got thirsty on the way over???"

As for advice for the OP; buy your keg from someone with an ABN (a company, not just some dude who has one for the wholesale prices). Make sure it doesn't have any brewery labels. Actual companies are less likely to be dealing in dodgy goods. Not saying it's the best advice, just saying it's a step forward.

 

[Jase71]

So for all those people standing by the law concerning kegs, and proudly say they wouldnt steal:

Have you, or have you ever, had any milk crates in your posession ?
Do you ever exceed the speed limit in your motor vehicle ?
Have you ever burned something to CD, recordined something to cassette or downloaded copyright material online, purchased movies/music while on holiday in Asia?
Have you ever jaywalked ?
Have you ever used illegal drugs in your life ?

Hands up who's guilty of all, OK most, of the above, yet still go on about illegal kegs ? We won't see any admissions, Im sure.

On another vein - when I went on the Boags Brewery tour in September, I noticed that the kegs are of a different style than the buldging old style I have previously been familiar with - and SWMBO (who works in the hospitality industry) reckons all the kegs these days are of the 'new' style/shape. So therefore wouldnt there be a shitload* of the perfectly legal older ones available if you knew where to source them?

*shitload: If commercial breweries have gone to a new shape, thn the pre-existing kegs would number in the hundreds of thousands, wouldnt they ? Unless theyve been scapped at the metal dealer.