Wadde Want, Polyclar Brewbrite. Wenna We Want It? Now

[Bribie G]

The thing that attracts me to the product is that I can add the stuff to the boil, then all I have to do later on is gelatine - or isinglass - on racking to help drop the yeast in a 'running beer' such as a UK Best Bitter. So I can hopefully get a nice bright pint without the need to lager the stuff then polyclar it - which is not really the best way to treat a UK ale. In any case I don't like to open the lid on the secondary jerrycan because the beer has basically stopped emitting CO2 and every time I open it to pop this and that and the other into it, then give it a shake, that's one more dose of O2 getting into the beer.

So I'll be able just to add gelatine/isinglass and late hop on racking, seal it up tighter than a fishes' bum and leave it for a few days before kegging :icon_cheers: Lagers are not the issue really because I now lager for at least 3 weeks and they sort themselves out as lagers have always done, but I'll still use the stuff as an insurance policy.

Edit: off topic a bit, Batz I've avoided step mashes (although I can easily do one with Urn / BIAB) because I've been worried about head retention using well modified malts - I rarely use German malts - is this an issue? Or am I off track there?

 

[haysie]

Why is hard to get your hands on the stuff according to a few here?. Is it a goer Ross? to see who`s interested and let them split up a bag/pack/pallet.

 

[Bribie G]

It seems the only way to get it is in a 25kg sack for about $60 a kilo, as it's basically a commercial brewery item. In itself that's not too bad considering that a 90g of Polyclar is now around $10 with dealer profit margin which not only consists of markup but also the fact you have to pay someone to bag and label the 90g lots, so it's well in the ballpark as far as cost goes.

 

[haysie]

It seems the only way to get it is in a 25kg sack for about $60 a kilo, as it's basically a commercial brewery item. In itself that's not too bad considering that a 90g of Polyclar is now around $10 with dealer profit margin which not only consists of markup but also the fact you have to pay someone to bag and label the 90g lots, so it's well in the ballpark as far as cost goes.

I sure would substitute kettle finings for something that maybe better on the market. Bribie makes a good point, does an English ale really require c/cing, gelatine, polyclar and a lagering period. I doubt it.

 

[Batz]

It seems the only way to get it is in a 25kg sack for about $60 a kilo, as it's basically a commercial brewery item. In itself that's not too bad considering that a 90g of Polyclar is now around $10 with dealer profit margin which not only consists of markup but also the fact you have to pay someone to bag and label the 90g lots, so it's well in the ballpark as far as cost goes.

You need to put out some 100gm sampler packs Bribie, OK charge a bit more for handling etc. I'll take one and post you an addressed return post pack.

If it's as good as we are hearing it is I'm sure we'll all want a larger amount.

Batz

 

[Bribie G]

Batz, I don't have the 25kg sack, I just got 500 from the guy who does have the sack :icon_cheers:

 

[Batz]

Batz, I don't have the 25kg sack, I just got 500 from the guy who does have the sack :icon_cheers:

I know.

You need to put out some 100gm sampler packs , OK charge a bit more for handling etc. I'll take one and post you an addressed return post pack.

If it's as good as we are hearing it is I'm sure we'll all want a larger amount.

Batz

Same same

Batz

 

[RdeVjun]

The thing that attracts me to the product is that I can add the stuff to the boil, then all I have to do later on is gelatine - or isinglass - on racking to help drop the yeast in a 'running beer' such as a UK Best Bitter. So I can hopefully get a nice bright pint without the need to lager the stuff then polyclar it - which is not really the best way to treat a UK ale. In any case I don't like to open the lid on the secondary jerrycan because the beer has basically stopped emitting CO2 and every time I open it to pop this and that and the other into it, then give it a shake, that's one more dose of O2 getting into the beer.

My FSM- you shake the secondary? Perhaps I've misunderstood? :blink:
I've become less inclined to do any secondary these days or add anything to a finishing primary, only occasionally add some hops tea and gelatine (almost exclusively on ESBs, next will actually be agar), but I just pour it in and shut it back up. Whirlfloc and gelatine seems to get most of what I need done, only a bit of chill haze from time to time which seems to be mainly a cosmetic flaw anyway.
I'd agree though, adding more flocculant to the boil is far more attractive to me.

So I'll be able just to add gelatine/isinglass and late hop on racking, seal it up tighter than a fishes' bum and leave it for a few days before kegging icon_cheers.gif Lagers are not the issue really because I now lager for at least 3 weeks and they sort themselves out as lagers have always done, but I'll still use the stuff as an insurance policy.

Edit: off topic a bit, Batz I've avoided step mashes (although I can easily do one with Urn / BIAB) because I've been worried about head retention using well modified malts - I rarely use German malts - is this an issue? Or am I off track there?

AFAIK, the head retention problem is mainly a problem with step- mashed ale malts (in particular just protein- rested) at least that's been my experience and much the same has been related in other discussions with brewers far more experienced than I could ever hope to be. FWIW, I've done much the same mash schedule with some Munich Helles (Wey Bo Pils) and then with a variety of ale malts (all TF or Bairds), the only ones with head retention issues were the decocted/ stepped ales. I only did it with the ales as it was handy to facilitate decoctions as I was using 100% base malt (for 'educational' benefit) and I don't do that much any more.
I'd certainly be wary if stepping ale malts, unless you have a good reason of course.
Hope this helps! :icon_cheers:

Edit: Maybe this Crouch Vale English Bitter could have the answer if you want to protein rest ale malt- loads of Carafoam?? :unsure:

 

[Smashin]

Been a few full moons past since this topic was last up. I've been using brewbrite for about 2 1/2 yrs now and have been on the samesample I was sent, so fears of shelf life efficiacy could proove in favour of brewbrite being stocked by a HB shop. Were my beers brighter clearer, more chill haze resistant compared to koppa floc etc... I couldn't really say. Out of interest i recently went to double brewing double batches and have since had haze issues. I've even trippled the dose of brewbrite with no luck, i went back and tried koppa floc and no significant differnce in the finished chilled beer. I gave whirl floc arun for the first time and it didn't resolve the issue

A fellow brewer came over for a brew day and noted that my wort doesn't boil anywhere near as hard as his and he has no issues with chill haze, so a rambo burner was hastilly purchased and used on my next brew. Hey presto clear beer and I'm back to where I was before turning to double batches, if not better... so where am I going with my yabberings..i spose my point is that look at your process before looking for the next greatest product. (i should not that this brew i used 1whirlfloc as recommended).Given my experience here i can only put farward the fact that i will continue to use whirfloc from this point on for the simple fact it is easy to use on brew day and this is hard to say coming from an avid brewbrite advocate. For those that have not used brewbrite or polyclar these products do take some some preparation time, not heaps but it is nice to just throw a tab in the kettle on brew day. KISS principal at work.

Blah blah blah.... any way hope my rambles contibute to the discusion in some useful way,

Cheers Smashin :icon_cheers:

Batz, I don't have the 25kg sack, I just got 500 from the guy who does have the sack :icon_cheers:

 

[haysie]

Been a few full moons past since this topic was last up. I've been using brewbrite for about 2 1/2 yrs now and have been on the samesample I was sent, so fears of shelf life efficiacy could proove in favour of brewbrite being stocked by a HB shop. Were my beers brighter clearer, more chill haze resistant compared to koppa floc etc... I couldn't really say. Out of interest i recently went to double brewing double batches and have since had haze issues. I've even trippled the dose of brewbrite with no luck, i went back and tried koppa floc and no significant differnce in the finished chilled beer. I gave whirl floc arun for the first time and it didn't resolve the issue

A fellow brewer came over for a brew day and noted that my wort doesn't boil anywhere near as hard as his and he has no issues with chill haze, so a rambo burner was hastilly purchased and used on my next brew. Hey presto clear beer and I'm back to where I was before turning to double batches, if not better... so where am I going with my yabberings..i spose my point is that look at your process before looking for the next greatest product. (i should not that this brew i used 1whirlfloc as recommended).Given my experience here i can only put farward the fact that i will continue to use whirfloc from this point on for the simple fact it is easy to use on brew day and this is hard to say coming from an avid brewbrite advocate. For those that have not used brewbrite or polyclar these products do take some some preparation time, not heaps but it is nice to just throw a tab in the kettle on brew day. KISS principal at work.

Blah blah blah.... any way hope my rambles contibute to the discusion in some useful way,

Cheers Smashin :icon_cheers:

Smashin,
Thats a great post and an unbiased one. Is brightness about personal,others or judges perception? I would say personally most of us want our beers to appear well.
Others will always look in a glass before they taste it.
Judges will screen it depending on their knowledge.

What is the prep time for brewbrite you mention?

 

[haysie]

I used 10 gms of brewbrite in a Munich Helles yesterday. Not quite sure what preparation was required as smashin mentions? I simply threw mine in the boil at 30 minutes, it was clumpy but soon dissolved.
What was really amazing to us all on the day, was the massive massive amount of cold break in the fermenter via the plate chiller. Have many times observed cold break but never of this volume. Having a peek 24 hours later, the break has settled to about 3 inches deep in my carboy. Am thinking this stuff maybe :super: . Will post back finished results.





edit, hot break I didnt notice any real difference i.e had a nice same as always tight cone of trub n break, I did late hop with some csaaz and wanted to retain the aroma, therefore didnt waste much time between flame out and hitting the plate.

 

[Thirsty Boy]

I too just tried Brewbrite for the first time on Saturday

Can't of course report on how it affect chill haze yet - but as a kettle finings it work beautifully well. Added at 10mins left in the boil - just sprinkled on top. Formed good sized flocs of hot break that settled fast and formed into a nice compact and stable trub cone. I was able to drain more and cleaner wort to my NC cube than I have ever managed before.

Cold break .. looking at my NC cube now, it seems to have formed into a tighter and lower layer than it usually does. Not sure if this is because the Brewbright has made for more compact cold break, because there is less than usual hot break in there, or a combination of both.

Anyway - its a Munich Helles.. I normally suffer from light but noticeable chill haze with no treatment - so I'll report back on the effectiveness it gives me for chill haze reduction once the beer is filtered and in the keg... maybe a month.

Cheers to the anonymous donor... worth while as a kettle finings alone.

TB

 

[Batz]

My next brew will be having an addition of BrewBrite as well, I'll post my findings.

Batz

 

[haysie]

I brewed a pretty simple Best Bitter and used the Brewbrite. I was wondering if you other guys are just dumping your dose in the boil or preparing? I am adding at 30 minutes prior to flameout and getting clumping of the brewbrite itself, sort of like a hard lollie, then takes about 15-20 minutes and it does eventually dissolve.
So if I was adding at say 10 as I would my whirlfloc, It wouldnt be dissolved I guess.

Again the hot break on this brew was nice n tight, good clear run off but cant see any difference betwwen brewbrite n whirlfloc, never had a prob in the past with getting clear wort to the fermenter via my simple 3v kit. So maybe its more about the end result for mine


Again, massive amounts of cold break, this IMO can only be a good thing for the end product and again IMO is certainly a result of the brewbrite.


A very happy ferment 6 hours later

 

[Bribie G]

I mix mine to a slurry in a small bowl with cold water then tip into the boil. I collected a spare Schott of wort to make a starter, after 24 hours there's a nice layer of cold break. This morning the cold break was hanging like a big jellyfish in the middle of the bottle but now it's settled down. The hot break (no photo available) had settled down onto the bottom of the urn like a pancake. Very impressive, and that's why I got the extra wort out, normally I would only get a cube.

 

[haysie]

Was there a placebo :blink:

edit, brewing up a hausbrew next couple of days, I WONT use brewbrite and photo up the carboy.

 

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[pvpp]

I have actually obtained a quantity of Polyclar Brewbrite (use in kettle in last 10 minutes of boil) - from a confidential source - and will report on results.

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[haysie]

EDIT8 pvppp? is brewbrite available to the homebrew community? if so, where? is it competitive with other well proven finings i.e koppafloc/whirlfolc etc?
and edit 5> A look see at your profile. Any more spam to throw up? Mods need to deal with **** like you.
(removed for the childrens sake)

no final beer to post, both above mentioned beers are c/cing and ready for a bottle or keg come the weekend, the results are looking hmmm, not convinced ...YET!

 

[MHB]

Since it's been getting so much attention I got some to have a play with. Filtered a bit of wheat beer through the version of Pollyclar with the Silica Xerogel, must say I was very impressed with the results. The beer was 10% unmalted and 45% malted Wheat, cooled it down to about -2^oC (yes that's ice in the glass), still crystal clear, normally this beer is very hazy.


MHB