Terror suspect shot dead in Melbourne suburb.

[Feldon]

Lot of people here (all?) seem to have accepted the police version of the incident.

Just because the cops say something happened a certain way doesn't mean that's the way it was.

(eg. an equally plausible explanation is that he was beat up by the cops and pulled a knife(s) to defend himself)

The only fact we have is that he is dead. All the rest is part of your believe system.

Stop believing and start thinking.

 

[CrookedFingers]

That's a pretty stupid statement mate.

Sorry. But it just is.


CF

 

[Eagleburger]

Its all Putins fault.

 

[StalkingWilbur]

Why would he take two knives with him to a meet up with police anyway?

I was young a dumb once (still am somewhat) but I certainly wouldn't have taken a concealed weapon to a police station when they had requested a chat with me.

 

[HBHB]

Lot of people here (all?) seem to have accepted the police version of the incident.

Just because the cops say something happened a certain way doesn't mean that's the way it was.

(eg. an equally plausible explanation is that he was beat up by the cops and pulled a knife(s) to defend himself)

The only fact we have is that he is dead. All the rest is part of your believe system.

Stop believing and start thinking.

Even more plausible is that they stopped an 18 yr old from travelling overseas because he was planning on joining a terrorist network, got pissed off and took it upon himself to try to kill 2 innocent law enforcement officers who spend 10 hrs a day defending the freedom of people who make really ******* dumb statements. Time to stop theorising about ******** and start thinking. (Just saying)

 

[manticle]

Lot of people here (all?) seem to have accepted the police version of the incident.

Just because the cops say something happened a certain way doesn't mean that's the way it was.

(eg. an equally plausible explanation is that he was beat up by the cops and pulled a knife(s) to defend himself)

The only fact we have is that he is dead. All the rest is part of your believe system.

Stop believing and start thinking.

There's every chance the media have reported it incorrectly as they are wont to do that but the idea that police beat him then shot him is quite implausible to me. There's a difference between thinking critically and sceptically and just making up wild theories based on nothing.

 

[Feldon]

If you read my post you would have seen my beating analogy was prefaced by "e.g." It was an example of an alternative explanation of which many are possible. Was simply trying to illustrate a point.

None of you I take it were there, so none of you know what happened from personal experience.

You believe, apparently without question, the information that comes to you from media outlets, who sourced their information from the police.

And who shot the man? The police.

In any homicide you never take the killer's word at face value. Of course the killer will try to justify his actions. And indeed they may well be justified in this situation - but equally they may not. But until an inquest is held both you and I know nothing about what happened. That is, you have no knowledge of the event, only your beliefs.

In other words - the police and the media have pulled your chain, and you've flushed.

 

[manticle]

You'll note throughout many of my previous posts, statements such as 'if reports are true'. Yes question all versions of events but use evidence and facts to work out reasonable hypotheses.

 

[Feldon]

Bar the dead body we have no evidence on anything, yet. Only opinion and scuttlebutt.

 

[Feldon]

Even more plausible is that they stopped an 18 yr old from travelling overseas because he was planning on joining a terrorist network, got pissed off and took it upon himself to try to kill 2 innocent law enforcement officers who spend 10 hrs a day defending the freedom of people who make really ******* dumb statements. Time to stop theorising about ******** and start thinking. (Just saying)

How do you know they are innocent?

 

[CrookedFingers]

And Elvis is still alive.

Do you seriously think in the current climate (in regards to IS), that the police would just go out and seek a young man to shoot dead....oh yeah, let's get stabbed while we are at it !!!

C'mon Feldon.
In some cases YES the media can be misleading, not sure if this is it.
Bit too serious of a topic to go fabricating stories don't you think ???

Or Do you just think too much ?
Not everything is a conspiracy dude.


CF

 

[manticle]

Bar the dead body we have no evidence on anything, yet. Only opinion and scuttlebutt.

And possibly some witnesses. I agree that the version offered might differ from the real chain of events - your example of equally plausible was pretty rubbish though. Not because police have never been guilty of violent or unlawful conduct, just because there is currently even less to suggest it was closer to the truth than current media stories. I know what you mean but I think it could have been phrased a lot more thoughtfully.

 

[Feldon]

And Elvis is still alive.

Do you seriously think in the current climate (in regards to IS), that the police would just go out and seek a young man to shoot dead....oh yeah, let's get stabbed while we are at it !!!

C'mon Feldon.
In some cases YES the media can be misleading, not sure if this is it.
Bit too serious of a topic to go fabricating stories don't you think ???

Or Do you just think too much ?
Not everything is a conspiracy dude.


CF

I seem to have struck a nerve.

How do you know they were stabbed? You obviously believe it to be true. But you can't know. Yet it has become part of your personal belief system.

Stand back. Search the media for factual, verifiable content and ignore everything else. Then slowly start to form your own knowledge of the matter.

At the moment you are just being gullible.

 

[Feldon]

And possibly some witnesses. I agree that the version offered might differ from the real chain of events - your example of equally plausible was pretty rubbish though. Not because police have never been guilty of violent or unlawful conduct, just because there is currently even less to suggest it was closer to the truth than current media stories. I know what you mean but I think it could have been phrased a lot more thoughtfully.

The coppers have form here. Remember Palm Island? Remember the Hilton bombing? ****, the list is almost endless.

 

[Eagleburger]

Its all Putins fault.

Thats what the somewhat sexy lady who was driving the bus said today. She said "remember the last time monkey mans better half wanted to invade Syria? but Putin made him look like a war mongering douche bag? Well he went back to the golf course with his tail between his legs and with the help of X plotted his next move.

It went something like this; Steal an airliner, use it to deliver some nasty biological agents to those friends you despise. Blame it on the Syrians and those unruly Muslims, public will be outraged and carpet bomb Syria, Muslim buddies with wads of cash are happy and everything is right in the world".

Well, Russian and Chinese intelligence were all of it and nipped it in the bud. The Chinese ditched the MH370 before it got to Afghanistan and Putin persuaded Syria to give up its WMDs. Damn new plan needed. Obama was stumped, because you know he is plain stupid. So he calls up X, who was all delirious on hash and getting a blowy off his 32nd wife. X tells him " just behead a few people, it always gets the locals excited around here".

So Obama organizes the beheadings and like obamacare, are of poor quality and be eventually proven maladroit. Public is outraged, billions spent to carpet bomb poor Syrian civilians. Fathers, mothers and children, most living day to day just to put food in their mouths, blown to smithereens if they are lucky.

So if Putin had only kept his mischievous hand out of X and Obamas plan, them poor Melbourne police and a hundred thousand Syrians folks would feel no pain today. Of course the Syrians would be already a year dead, But they would be in no pain, Right?".

I was stunned, I said " you are fucken crazy" She smiled. I said "wanna ****?" She undid the buttons on her shirt to reveal her speckled cleavage. Obviously spent a many summer on the gold coast. I looked down the empty bus. All the usual patrons drove their cars today, too paranoid to catch public transport. Couldnt stand the thought of a bearded man taking the seat behind them. I took her hands and pulled her to her feet and into my embrace. Go to redtube for the rest ya pervs!

 

[manticle]

The coppers have form here. Remember Palm Island? Remember the Hilton bombing? ****, the list is almost endless.

Not denying historical occurrences of police/authority unlawfulness and cover up but you can't assume every member of a group is guilty based on the past actions of some. Goes for muslims, goes for cops. Possible, yes but don't jump to conclusions based on nothing.

 

[CrookedFingers]

Ok mate.

You haven't struck a nerve.
I just get a little funny when "free thinkers" like yourself get up on your soap boxes to sprook conspiracies and the like.
I find it almost as damaging as the media can be.
I'm done man. No more bites here.


Peace out.


CF

 

[Feldon]

Ok mate.

You haven't struck a nerve.
I just get a little funny when "free thinkers" like yourself get up on your soap boxes to sprook conspiracies and the like.
I find it almost as damaging as the media can be.
I'm done man. No more bites here.


Peace out.


CF

What conspiracy?

 

[CrookedFingers]

Nice try.


CF

 

[Feldon]

Not denying historical occurrences of police/authority unlawfulness and cover up but you can't assume every member of a group is guilty based on the past actions of some. Goes for muslims, goes for cops. Possible, yes but don't jump to conclusions based on nothing.

To accept the current version of events is equally a "jump to conclusions based on nothing". I have said nothing more or less plausible that the mainstream view. So why single me out.