Style Of The Week 14/11/07 - Iipa

[Stuster]

This week it's the turn of a big beer, Imperial IPA. BJCP style 14C. (And let's not get too hung up on the name folks. <_< )

This is a style for those who like hops, lots of hops. Of course with lots of malt to balance it out. But essentially, it's all about the hops. There's been a few threads on it here on AHB before of course, here and here which shows it's not only a style for US hops. Jamil Z's take on it is on this podcast.

So how do you brew this style? Grains? Gravity? Hops? What varieties, when and how much? Extract? What temp do you mash at? What yeast? Ferment temp.? Commercial double IPAs you like/hate? Tell us all you know so we can all brew huge great beers. :chug:

14C. Imperial IPA

Aroma: A prominent to intense hop aroma that can be derived from American, English and/or noble varieties (although a citrusy hop character is almost always present). Most versions are dry hopped and can have an additional resinous or grassy aroma, although this is not absolutely required. Some clean malty sweetness may be found in the background. Fruitiness, either from esters or hops, may also be detected in some versions, although a neutral fermentation character is typical. Some alcohol can usually be noted, but it should not have a "hot" character.

Appearance: Color ranges from golden amber to medium reddish copper; some versions can have an orange-ish tint. Should be clear, although unfiltered dry-hopped versions may be a bit hazy. Good head stand should persist.

Flavor: Hop flavor is strong and complex, and can reflect the use of American, English and/or noble hop varieties. High to absurdly high hop bitterness, although the malt backbone will generally support the strong hop character and provide the best balance. Malt flavor should be low to medium, and is generally clean and malty sweet although some caramel or toasty flavors are acceptable at low levels. No diacetyl. Low fruitiness is acceptable but not required. A long, lingering bitterness is usually present in the aftertaste but should not be harsh. Medium-dry to dry finish. A clean, smooth alcohol flavor is usually present. Oak is inappropriate in this style. Some sulfur may be present if sulfate water is used, but most examples do not exhibit this character.

Mouthfeel: Smooth, medium-light to medium-full body. No harsh hop-derived astringency, although moderate to medium-high carbonation can combine to render an overall dry sensation in the presence of malt sweetness. Smooth alcohol warming.

Overall Impression: An intensely hoppy, very strong pale ale without the big maltiness and/or deeper malt flavors of an American barleywine. Strongly hopped, but clean, lacking harshness, and a tribute to historical IPAs.

History: A recent American innovation reflecting the trend of American craft brewers "pushing the envelope" to satisfy the need of hop aficionados for increasingly intense products. Category may be stretched to cover historical and modern American stock ales that are stronger, hoppier ales without the malt intensity of barleywines. The adjective "Imperial" is arbitrary and simply implies a stronger version of an IPA; "double," "extra," "extreme," or any other variety of adjectives would be equally valid.

Comments: Bigger than either an English or American IPA in both alcohol strength and overall hop level (bittering and finish). Less malty, lower body, less rich and a greater overall hop intensity than an American Barleywine. Not necessarily as high in gravity/alcohol as a barleywine. A showcase for hops.

Ingredients: Pale ale malt (well-modified and suitable for single-temperature infusion mashing); can use a complex variety of hops (English, American, noble). American yeast that can give a clean or slightly fruity profile. Generally all-malt, but mashed at lower temperatures for high attenuation. Water character varies from soft to moderately sulfate.
Vital Statistics:
OG FG IBUs SRM ABV
1.075 - 1.090+ 1.012 - 1.020 60 - 100+ 8 - 15 7.5 - 10+%

Commercial Examples: Dogfish Head 90-minute IPA, Rogue I2PA, Stone Ruination IPA, Three Floyd's Dreadnaught, Russian River Pliny the Elder, Moylan's Moylander Double IPA. Stock ales include examples such as Stone Arrogant ******* and Mendocino Eye of the Hawk.

 

[bconnery]

Commercial exxamples - the very nice Murray's Icon 2IPA...
A nicely balanced malty hoppy beer even it was pronounced a little lacking in aroma by resident hophead Jye .
To be fair it was a little but it didn't detract from the beer for mine.
I've heard from a reputable source that it wouldn't be possible for them to fit more hops in though...

I can't give anything more on this style, apart from a warning that it is very easy to overdo a big beer like this. Hoppiness must be balanced by a strong malt background or else it is overpowering.
Homebrewers and Murrary's have done it well. Some US examples I tried didn't...

 

[Jazzafish]

Been planning one of these for a while! But looking at the recipe below. I will be mashing in at around 68*C to 69*C to beef up the malt a bit.

Sockeye Imperial Pale Ale Version 1

A ProMash Recipe Report

Recipe Specifics
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Batch Size (L): 23.00 Wort Size (L): 23.00
Total Grain (kg): 7.41
Anticipated OG: 1.077 Plato: 18.63
Anticipated EBC: 18.7
Anticipated IBU: 114.4
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75 %
Wort Boil Time: 90 Minutes


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential EBC
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
82.0 6.07 kg. Bairds Marris Otter Great Britain 1.037 5
10.0 0.74 kg. JWM Light Munich Australia 1.038 20
4.0 0.30 kg. JW Crystal Australia 1.002 110
4.0 0.30 kg. Weyermann Dark Wheat Germany 1.039 18

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
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20.00 g. Amarillo Gold Pellet 8.90 15.7 Mash H
20.00 g. Cascade Pellet 6.84 12.1 Mash H
20.00 g. Nelson Sauvin Pellet 12.00 21.2 Mash H
20.00 g. Amarillo Gold Pellet 8.90 7.6 20 min.
20.00 g. Cascade Pellet 5.75 4.9 20 min.
20.00 g. Nelson Sauvin Pellet 12.00 10.2 20 min.
20.00 g. Amarillo Gold Pellet 8.90 6.0 15 min.
20.00 g. Cascade Pellet 6.84 4.6 15 min.
20.00 g. Nelson Sauvin Pellet 12.00 8.1 15 min.
20.00 g. Amarillo Gold Pellet 8.90 3.0 10 min.
20.00 g. Cascade Pellet 6.84 3.4 10 min.
20.00 g. Nelson Sauvin Pellet 12.00 6.0 10 min.
20.00 g. Amarillo Gold Pellet 8.90 3.7 5 min.
20.00 g. Cascade Pellet 6.84 2.9 5 min.
20.00 g. Nelson Sauvin Pellet 12.00 5.0 5 min.
20.00 g. Amarillo Gold Pellet 8.90 0.0 Dry Hop
20.00 g. Cascade Pellet 6.84 0.0 Dry Hop
20.00 g. Nelson Sauvin Pellet 12.00 0.0 Dry Hop


Yeast
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White Labs WLP001 California Ale or Possibly Whitbread

 

[mikem108]

Mine is about 1.080, Ale, Munich, some crystal in the form of Caramalt 40L ,Cara Aroma, Cara Munich, Clean US yeast WLP008 East coast ale fermented at 20C, A ton of hops, warrior, Simcoe, Centenial, Chinook and then at least a 100gms Dry in the secondary. Lots or aeration to get a nice strong ferment going, mash about 65-66

BTW Murrays uses Wyeast 1028.

 

[Stuster]

20.00 g. Amarillo Gold Pellet 8.90 15.7 Mash H
20.00 g. Cascade Pellet 6.84 12.1 Mash H
20.00 g. Nelson Sauvin Pellet 12.00 21.2 Mash H

I'm not sure there's any point mash hopping those hops in an IIPA. I've never tried mash hopping because from what I've read, everyone who's experimented with mash hop only beers finds they are disappointed with how it turned out. Like the hop combination. I think those three should work together well (NS and Cascade do in my experience). Certainly going to be hoppy enough.

Ah, here's the quote from Ross on mash hopping I was thinking of.

I have a 100% mash hopped amber on tap at the moment. I made it side by side with my usual 3%alc house amber. Using same grain bill, I mashed with 100gms of mixed high alpha hops, using the bitterness of a 5 min boil for the calculation. The bitterness level of both beers was pretty well identical - so i think the 5min rule is pretty well spot on. The mash hopped beer totally lacks hop aroma & is totally malt driven. Still not a bad drop though..

 

[browndog]

I'm surprised this thread is not more lively than this. I've done a few IIPAs, comercial examples are that I've done are Ruination, Dogfish head 90min comes to mind too. My latest IIPA in the recipe below I found to be dissapointing due to the hop flavours being overwhelmed by the alcohol (ended up 10%) The next week I did an IPA hop burst that ended up a much nicer beer. So, the rule I am going to follow is hop bursts for APAs and IPAs only. I know the Dogfish Head 90min is a hopburst beer,7g every 7.5min and IT came out tasting great.

BeerSmith Recipe Printout - www.beersmith.com
Recipe: BDs Yank Hopburst IIPA
Brewer: Tony Brown
Asst Brewer: Jess
Style: American IPA
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (35.0)

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Batch Size: 24.00 L
Boil Size: 32.79 L
Estimated OG: 1.081 SG
Estimated Color: 21.6 EBC
Estimated IBU: 79.7 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 80.00 %
Boil Time: 75 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amount Item Type % or IBU
6.00 kg Pale Malt, Ale (Barrett Burston) (5.9 EBC)Grain 77.42 %
0.75 kg Caramel/Crystal Malt - 20L (39.4 EBC) Grain 9.68 %
0.50 kg Munich Malt (17.7 EBC) Grain 6.45 %
0.25 kg Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (78.8 EBC) Grain 3.23 %
0.25 kg Melanoiden Malt (39.4 EBC) Grain 3.23 %
50.00 gm Ahtanum [6.00 %] (Dry Hop 5 days) Hops -
20.00 gm Magnum [13.50 %] (50 min) Hops 22.7 IBU
20.00 gm Warrior [15.10 %] (50 min) Hops 25.4 IBU
25.00 gm IIPA hop mix [8.60 %] (20 min) Hops 11.5 IBU
25.00 gm IIPA hop mix [8.60 %] (15 min) Hops 9.4 IBU
25.00 gm IIPA hop mix [8.60 %] (10 min) Hops 6.9 IBU
25.00 gm IIPA hop mix [8.60 %] (5 min) Hops 3.8 IBU
0.50 tsp Koppafloc (Boil 15.0 min) Misc
1.00 tsp Sodium Chloride (Boil 60.0 min) Misc
1 Pkgs US-56 (Safale) [Starter 200 ml] Yeast-Ale


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 7.75 kg
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Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
Step Time Name Description Step Temp
90 min Mash In Add 20.23 L of water at 77.2 C 66.0 C


Notes:
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Hop mix
10g cascade
5g amerillo
5g cluster
3g centennial
2g chinook


cheers

Browndog

 

[Ross]

That looks lovely Tony - It's been too long since I last sampled your beers - Hope you are bringing a few to the case swap, if I don't see you before...

Cheers Ross

 

[Stuster]

Not sure why the big hoppers are not coming to the thread, Browndog. Duff, Ross, Doc, where are you?

So you're saying it's best to do some more traditional hopping with a IIPA are you? I think you need some bittering hops to give with lots of late hopping with a IIPA. The only a couple so far. One was the ISB brew day. Magnum and Simcoe for bittering, with a mixture of Columbus, Centennial and Mount Hood for flavour and aroma.

The other was a spin off of the famous Denny Conn's Rye IPA, but with completely different hops and grains. Came out slightly stronger than I was expecting and just into the IIPA territory.

Rye IIPA

25L batch
OG 1077
FG 1014
IBUs 70
EBC 21

6kg BB ale
1.5kg Weyermann rye
250g JW Wheat
280g JW Crystal wheat
120g JW Dark crystal
-
Pacific Hallertau 35g @ FWH
Amarillo 50g @ 60
Pacific Hallertau 25g @ 30
Hersbrucker 50g @ 0
Cascade flowers 40g @ Dry

US-56

Came out pretty well IMO, but needed more hops.

 

[Duff]

Sorry Stuster, first time I noticed the thread.

I've graduated up with my hoppy beers, started with this one, the Victory Hop Devil. Simply wonderful.


06-13 Victory Hop Devil I

A ProMash Recipe Report

Recipe Specifics
----------------

Batch Size (L): 20.00
Total Grain (kg): 5.60
Anticipated OG: 1.066 Plato: 16.18
Anticipated SRM: 10.9
Anticipated IBU: 73.5
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75 %
Wort Boil Time: 90 Minutes


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
64.3 3.60 kg. JWM Traditional Ale Malt Australia 1.038 3
21.4 1.20 kg. JWM Light Munich Australia 1.038 10
8.9 0.50 kg. JWM Export Pilsner Australia 1.037 2
3.6 0.20 kg. JWM Crystal 140 Australia 1.035 74
1.8 0.10 kg. Weyermann Melanoidin Germany 1.037 36

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
26.00 g. Centennial Pellet 10.00 29.7 60 min.
15.00 g. Centennial Pellet 10.00 13.2 30 min.
10.00 g. Amarillo Gold Pellet 8.90 7.8 30 min.
20.00 g. Tettnanger Pellet 5.20 9.1 30 min.
15.00 g. Centennial Pellet 10.00 8.5 15 min.
10.00 g. Amarillo Gold Pellet 8.90 5.1 15 min.
40.00 g. Centennial Pellet 10.00 0.0 0 min.
40.00 g. Amarillo Gold Pellet 8.90 0.0 0 min.


Yeast
-----

White Labs WLP009 Australian Ale

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Then made this one, as a clean out of the hop fridge one day.

06-26 Devil IPA

A ProMash Recipe Report

Recipe Specifics
----------------

Batch Size (L): 20.00
Total Grain (kg): 6.05
Anticipated OG: 1.077 Plato: 18.57
Anticipated SRM: 9.7
Anticipated IBU: 85.2
Brewhouse Efficiency: 80 %
Wort Boil Time: 90 Minutes


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
82.6 5.00 kg. JWM Traditional Ale Malt Australia 1.038 3
12.4 0.75 kg. Powells Wheat Australia 1.038 2
5.0 0.30 kg. Weyermann CaraWheat Germany 1.037 61

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
28.00 g. Warrior Pellet 14.50 43.2 60 min.
10.00 g. Centennial Pellet 10.00 6.4 20 min.
5.00 g. Chinook Pellet 12.00 3.9 20 min.
5.00 g. Cascade Pellet 6.00 1.9 20 min.
10.00 g. Centennial Pellet 10.00 5.3 15 min.
5.00 g. Chinook Pellet 12.00 3.2 15 min.
5.00 g. Cascade Pellet 6.00 1.6 15 min.
10.00 g. Centennial Pellet 10.00 3.9 10 min.
5.00 g. Chinook Pellet 12.00 2.3 10 min.
5.00 g. Cascade Pellet 6.00 1.2 10 min.
10.00 g. Centennial Pellet 10.00 2.1 5 min.
5.00 g. Chinook Pellet 12.00 1.3 5 min.
5.00 g. Cascade Pellet 6.00 0.6 5 min.
10.00 g. Centennial Pellet 10.00 1.7 4 min.
5.00 g. Chinook Pellet 12.00 1.0 4 min.
5.00 g. Cascade Pellet 6.00 0.5 4 min.
10.00 g. Centennial Pellet 10.00 1.3 3 min.
5.00 g. Chinook Pellet 12.00 0.8 3 min.
5.00 g. Cascade Pellet 6.00 0.4 3 min.
10.00 g. Centennial Pellet 10.00 0.9 2 min.
5.00 g. Chinook Pellet 12.00 0.5 2 min.
5.00 g. Cascade Pellet 6.00 0.3 2 min.
10.00 g. Centennial Pellet 10.00 0.5 1 min.
5.00 g. Chinook Pellet 12.00 0.3 1 min.
5.00 g. Cascade Pellet 6.00 0.1 1 min.
50.00 g. Amarillo Gold Pellet 8.90 0.0 0 min.


Yeast
-----

White Labs WLP001 California Ale

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The Pliny didn't come out as well as I would have liked. Went for the corn sugar (maltodextrin) which was a mistake, and also was at the time when other hops included in the original receipe were not available in Australia, like Columbus. Will have to do again.

06-02 Pliny The Elder

A ProMash Recipe Report

Recipe Specifics
----------------

Batch Size (L): 20.00
Total Grain (kg): 7.07
Anticipated OG: 1.074 Plato: 18.00
Anticipated SRM: 7.0
Anticipated IBU: 220.1
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75 %
Wort Boil Time: 90 Minutes


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
83.5 5.90 kg. JWM Traditional Ale Malt Australia 1.038 3
7.4 0.52 kg. Corn Sugar Generic 1.046 0
6.3 0.44 kg. Cara-Pils Dextrine Malt 1.033 2
2.8 0.20 kg. JWM Caramalt Australia 1.036 28

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
42.00 g. Chinook Pellet 12.00 34.8 Mash H
74.00 g. Warrior Pellet 14.80 108.1 90 min.
14.00 g. Chinook Pellet 12.00 16.6 90 min.
28.00 g. Simcoe Pellet 12.00 28.5 45 min.
51.00 g. Amarillo Gold Pellet 8.90 32.2 30 min.
64.00 g. Cascade Pellet 6.00 0.0 0 min.
28.00 g. Simcoe Pellet 12.00 0.0 0 min.
92.00 g. Amarillo Gold Pellet 8.90 0.0 Dry Hop
50.00 g. Simcoe Pellet 12.00 0.0 Dry Hop
50.00 g. Cascade Whole 8.10 0.0 Dry Hop


Extras

Amount Name Type Time
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
0.10 Oz Irish Moss Fining 15 Min.(boil)


Yeast
-----

White Labs WLP001 California Ale

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Then made the Dreadnought:

06-50 Three Floyds Dreadnaught IPA

A ProMash Recipe Report

Recipe Specifics
----------------

Batch Size (L): 20.00
Total Grain (kg): 7.25
Anticipated OG: 1.085 Plato: 20.37
Anticipated SRM: 11.6
Anticipated IBU: 91.9
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75 %
Wort Boil Time: 90 Minutes


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
62.1 4.50 kg. JWM Export Pilsner Australia 1.037 2
31.0 2.25 kg. JWM Light Munich Australia 1.038 10
6.9 0.50 kg. Weyermann Melanoidin Germany 1.037 36

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
13.00 g. Warrior Pellet 15.10 19.8 60 min.
15.00 g. Simcoe Pellet 11.00 16.6 60 min.
20.00 g. Centennial Pellet 9.90 18.3 45 min.
30.00 g. Centennial Pellet 9.90 23.0 30 min.
30.00 g. Amarillo Gold Pellet 9.50 14.2 15 min.
50.00 g. Amarillo Gold Pellet 9.50 0.0 0 min.


Yeast
-----

White Labs WLP013 London Ale

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Then my Hoptomic Bomb which got a third place recently:

07-07 The Hoptomic Bomb

A ProMash Recipe Report

Recipe Specifics
----------------

Batch Size (L): 20.00 Wort Size (L): 20.00
Total Grain (kg): 7.00
Anticipated OG: 1.083 Plato: 20.06
Anticipated SRM: 9.0
Anticipated IBU: 448.1
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75 %
Wort Boil Time: 90 Minutes


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential SRM
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
85.7 6.00 kg. Bairds Marris Otter England 1.038 3
7.1 0.50 kg. JWM Caramalt Australia 1.036 28
7.1 0.50 kg. JWM Wheat Malt Australia 1.040 2

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
85.00 g. Magnum Pellet 13.50 116.7 60 min.
80.00 g. Warrior Pellet 15.10 122.8 60 min.
100.00 g. Centennial Pellet 9.90 61.0 20 min.
100.00 g. Columbus Pellet 11.10 68.3 20 min.
75.00 g. Centennial Pellet 9.90 27.4 10 min.
75.00 g. Columbus Pellet 11.10 30.7 10 min.
50.00 g. Centennial Pellet 9.90 10.0 5 min.
50.00 g. Columbus Pellet 11.10 11.2 5 min.
50.00 g. Columbus Pellet 11.10 0.0 Dry Hop


Yeast
-----

White Labs WLP001 California Ale



A recurring theme for me would be malt wise to include munich and melanoidin, and to ensure they are not too dry. Hop wise, Warrior is excellent for bittering but Super Alpha would be just as good a substitute. Flavour, the three C's are a good start but balancing them appropriately takes a little work. For say a 100% total for my tastes I would lean 25 - 30% Columbus, 30 - 35% Centennial, the remainder Cascade. To me, Columbus can be harsh if overused, Centennial is like a Cascade on steroids, but too much Cascade can be too much. Simcoe is excellent, Amarillo is great, it's all good really.

And yes, the Tettnanger in the Victory Hop Devil is no typo. Give it a try.

Cheers.

 

[goatherder]

mmm yes, I have just discovered the joys of tettnang.

I lurve hopbursting but I reckon you still need a bittering addition to get that sharp bitterness that an AIPA/IIPA needs. Hopbursting alone is just a little too soft methinks.

 

[Stuster]

Great info there, Duff. I've done a few APAs etc with . Never used Tettnanger in a hoppy beer, but seems like a good idea. Really struck by the hopping in the Pliny the Elder. :blink: :icon_chickcheers:

92.00 g. Amarillo Gold Pellet 8.90 0.0 Dry Hop
50.00 g. Simcoe Pellet 12.00 0.0 Dry Hop
50.00 g. Cascade Whole 8.10 0.0 Dry Hop

I have Simcoe, Amarillo, Centennial and a little bit of Cascade on hand. Might also think about using D Saaz or Nelson Sauvin. Probably won't get round to making one of these for a while, but will have to seriously think about bumping up my dry hopping regime.

 

[Tony]

Bloody american hops.

I am going to have to have a go at some to see what all the fuss is about :lol:

here is the one i made:

Choke a Pom IPA

A ProMash Recipe Report

Recipe Specifics
----------------

Batch Size (L): 30.00 Wort Size (L): 30.00
Total Grain (kg): 11.80
Anticipated OG: 1.090 Plato: 21.65
Anticipated EBC: 20.9
Anticipated IBU: 140.0
Brewhouse Efficiency: 73 %
Wort Boil Time: 90 Minutes


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential EBC
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
93.2 11.00 kg. IMC Ale Malt Australia 1.038 4
6.8 0.80 kg. TF Crystal UK 1.034 100

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
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40.00 g. Wye Target Pellet 9.00 28.7 First WH
30.00 g. Goldings - E.K. Pellet 5.00 11.4 90 min.
50.00 g. Wye Target Pellet 9.00 29.3 45 min.
30.00 g. Bramling Cross Pellet 8.60 11.1 20 min.
30.00 g. First Gold Pellet 7.70 9.9 20 min.
30.00 g. Goldings - E.K. Pellet 5.00 6.4 20 min.
30.00 g. Progress Pellet 5.70 7.3 20 min.
30.00 g. Wye Northdown Pellet 7.20 9.3 20 min.
30.00 g. Bramling Cross Pellet 8.60 6.6 10 min.
30.00 g. First Gold Pellet 7.70 5.9 10 min.
30.00 g. Goldings - E.K. Pellet 5.20 4.0 10 min.
30.00 g. Progress Pellet 5.70 4.4 10 min.
30.00 g. Wye Northdown Pellet 7.20 5.6 10 min.
30.00 g. Bramling Cross Pellet 8.60 0.0 0 min.
30.00 g. First Gold Pellet 7.70 0.0 0 min.
30.00 g. Goldings - E.K. Pellet 5.20 0.0 0 min.
30.00 g. Progress Pellet 5.70 0.0 0 min.
30.00 g. Wye Northdown Pellet 7.20 0.0 0 min.
40.00 g. Goldings - E.K. Pellet 5.00 0.0 Dry Hop


Extras

Amount Name Type Time
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
0.10 Oz Irish Moss Fining 10 Min.(boil)


Yeast
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US-05

went from 1.090 to 1.006 for 11% beer.

If i did it again i would halve the 20 min addition and increase the flame out hit.

cheers

 

[browndog]

So you're saying it's best to do some more traditional hopping with a IIPA are you? I think you need some bittering hops to give with lots of late hopping with a IIPA.

Yeah, from my limited experience, I was dissapointed with the results. I reckon next time I want to do a 10% beer I'll look at traditional hopping rather than hopbursting or at least have a solid bittering hop going there. Having said that, I tried the recipe in my post above, the keg of 10% has been conditioning for the last 6 weeks and it might be about time I gave it a try.
Tony that beer of yours sounds interesting, I believe Ross did something similar with the UK hops. The biggest Pommy beer I've done is a Burton-on-housatonic IPA and once I got over the EKG shock, found it a great beer.

cheers

Browndog

 

[jimi]

I'm a little disappointed that this thread hasn't gotten more feedback so far. While subtlty is important at times, these type of beers IMO reflect the usual unspoken craft brewer mantra of "more bold, more flavour, more adventurous".

Unless I'm not looking in the right places, there seems to be a lot more examples of people offering to edit another brewers recipe of say an APA, Porter, Hefe etc than of people offering tips and edits on an IIPA.

I guess the style is either not as commonly practised as other styles or folks find it harder to give tips on balancing such big figures in a beer (100+ IBU's & 1080ish OG). ??? h34r:

The only feedback I've found on creating one of these brews is the feedback those game enough to brew this style have given on their own creations ala Browndog et al

Duff - I'm glad your V Hop Devil comes up a treat. My plans for an IAPA has a pretty similar grain bill. Although I'll be aiming at a 1077 OG and approx 105 IBU's, hope it goes well, experience seems the best way to learn on this one!

 

[Tony]

experience seems the best way to learn on this one!

True....... I could find nothing much in the wayu of info on the style bar the BJCP guideline. It said it was a showcase for hops so i hooked in.

If i did mine again i would leave the malt bill alone...... it was perfect..... but maybe cut it back to 1.080 to make it more drinkable by the pint.

I would use less 20 min addition hops as the hop flavout is a bit overpowering.

Also a couple of the hop varieties would get the flick. I would bitter with a gut load of target and pobably just use EKG, first gold and challenger.

THe flavout to aroma ballance on my sheep shagger beer is spot on and i used lots moe flame out hops and reduced the flavour addition based on the IIPA above.

here is the recipe for the sheepshagger as it alnost qualifies. Its fairly big, bitter and has lots of hops.

cheers



Golden Fleece IPA

A ProMash Recipe Report

Recipe Specifics
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Batch Size (L): 50.00 Wort Size (L): 50.00
Total Grain (kg): 13.50
Anticipated OG: 1.066 Plato: 16.23
Anticipated EBC: 16.7
Anticipated IBU: 66.9
Brewhouse Efficiency: 80 %
Wort Boil Time: 75 Minutes


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential EBC
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92.6 12.50 kg. TF Golden Promise Pale Ale Ma UK 1.037 6
3.7 0.50 kg. Weyermann Carared Germany 1.036 48
3.7 0.50 kg. TF Crystal UK 1.034 100

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
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30.00 g. D SAAZ Pellet 5.60 9.3 First WH
50.00 g. Sothern Cross Whole 15.90 33.3 45 min.
30.00 g. B-Saaz Whole 6.80 4.6 15 min.
30.00 g. Nelson Sauvin Whole 11.90 8.1 15 min.
30.00 g. Pacific Hallertau Whole 6.50 4.4 15 min.
20.00 g. Sothern Cross Whole 15.90 7.2 15 min.
60.00 g. B-Saaz Whole 6.80 0.0 0 min.
60.00 g. Nelson Sauvin Whole 11.90 0.0 0 min.
60.00 g. Pacific Hallertau hole 6.50 0.0 0 min.
20.00 g. Sothern Cross Whole 15.90 0.0 0 min.


Yeast
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US-05

 

[Muggus]

I recently tried a bottle of the IIPA a mate and myself brewed over a month ago. It was an all-extract brew that we hop bursted with Chinook, Tomahawk, Amarillo and Cascade. I dry hopped it in secondary with some extra Amarillo.
Smells sensational, amazing tropical and citrus fruit character, possibly the best hop-derived aroma i've ever experienced, yet the body seems to be a bit overwelming. Very bitter, as expected, but the fruity hop flavours from the aroma don't seem to be nearly as present. It's more woody than anything else.
I'm wondering if this is because of the specific hops i've used, or the 'hop burst' method of hopping we've used? Or is the beer simply too young at this point?

 

[jimi]

I imagine it's been awhile since some of these brews where put down and sampled, how did they turn out??

Jazzafish - I've got plans for something pretty similar to yours so any feedback on your brew would be great mate.

cheers

 

[MattC]

Have a variety of hops that are getting on and i need to use them along with some recently purchased hops. I thought I would try my hand at my first Imperial IPA and i would like some constructive critique. I am confident with the mix of cascade, simcoe and galaxy. But not sure how Perle would go mixed with those 3 as I havnt used it before.

Here tis..

BeerSmith Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: Double IPA
Brewer: Matt Cawley
Asst Brewer:
Style: Imperial IPA
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (35.0)

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Batch Size: 28.00 L
Boil Size: 35.67 L
Estimated OG: 1.085 SG
Estimated Color: 16.8 EBC
Estimated IBU: 90.6 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Ingredients:
------------
Amount Item Type % or IBU
8.00 kg Pale Malt, Ale (Barrett Burston) (5.9 EBC)Grain 82.90 %
0.30 kg Cara-Pils/Dextrine (3.9 EBC) Grain 3.11 %
0.30 kg Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (95.0 EBC) Grain 3.11 %
0.30 kg Wheat Malt, Dark (17.7 EBC) Grain 3.11 %
5.00 gm Cascade [7.80 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -
15.00 gm Cascade Flowers [7.80 %] (Dry Hop 7 days)Hops -
10.00 gm Simcoe [12.20 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -
15.00 gm Galaxy-Flowers [14.20 %] (Dry Hop 7 days)Hops -
5.00 gm Perle [8.50 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -
10.00 gm Cascade [7.80 %] (60 min) Hops 7.7 IBU
5.00 gm Galaxy 2009 crop [13.40 %] (60 min) Hops 6.6 IBU
10.00 gm Perle [8.50 %] (60 min) Hops 8.4 IBU
10.00 gm Simcoe [12.20 %] (60 min) Hops 12.0 IBU
7.50 gm Simcoe [12.20 %] (40 min) Hops 6.8 IBU
10.00 gm Perle [8.50 %] (40 min) Hops 6.4 IBU
10.00 gm Galaxy 2009 crop [13.40 %] (40 min) Hops 10.0 IBU
10.00 gm Cascade [7.80 %] (40 min) Hops 5.8 IBU
10.00 gm Cascade [7.80 %] (20 min) Hops 2.6 IBU
10.00 gm Perle [8.50 %] (20 min) Hops 2.8 IBU
10.00 gm Galaxy 2009 crop [13.40 %] (20 min) Hops 4.4 IBU
7.50 gm Simcoe [12.20 %] (20 min) Hops 3.0 IBU
10.00 gm Perle [8.50 %] (10 min) Hops 1.7 IBU
10.00 gm Galaxy 2009 crop [13.40 %] (10 min) Hops 2.6 IBU
10.00 gm Cascade [7.80 %] (10 min) Hops 1.5 IBU
7.50 gm Simcoe [12.20 %] (10 min) Hops 1.8 IBU
10.00 gm Galaxy 2009 crop [13.40 %] (2 min) Hops 2.2 IBU
10.00 gm Cascade [7.80 %] (2 min) Hops 1.3 IBU
7.50 gm Simcoe [12.20 %] (2 min) Hops 1.5 IBU
10.00 gm Perle [8.50 %] (2 min) Hops 1.4 IBU
1.00 items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 min) Misc
4.00 gm Gypsum (Calcium Sulfate) (Boil 60.0 min) Misc
0.75 kg Sugar, Table (Sucrose) (2.0 EBC) Sugar 7.77 %
1 Pkgs American Ale (Wyeast Labs #1056) [Starter Yeast-Ale


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, No Mash Out
Total Grain Weight: 8.90 kg
----------------------------
Single Infusion, Medium Body, No Mash Out
Step Time Name Description Step Temp
60 min Mash In Add 23.23 L of water at 72.4 C 66.0 C

 

[Jimboley]

Have a variety of hops that are getting on and i need to use them along with some recently purchased hops. I thought I would try my hand at my first Imperial IPA and i would like some constructive critique. I am confident with the mix of cascade, simcoe and galaxy. But not sure how Perle would go mixed with those 3 as I havnt used it before.

Here tis..

BeerSmith Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: Double IPA
Brewer: Matt Cawley
Asst Brewer:
Style: Imperial IPA
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (35.0)

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Batch Size: 28.00 L
Boil Size: 35.67 L
Estimated OG: 1.085 SG
Estimated Color: 16.8 EBC
Estimated IBU: 90.6 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Ingredients:
------------
Amount Item Type % or IBU
8.00 kg Pale Malt, Ale (Barrett Burston) (5.9 EBC)Grain 82.90 %
0.30 kg Cara-Pils/Dextrine (3.9 EBC) Grain 3.11 %
0.30 kg Caramel/Crystal Malt - 40L (95.0 EBC) Grain 3.11 %
0.30 kg Wheat Malt, Dark (17.7 EBC) Grain 3.11 %
5.00 gm Cascade [7.80 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -
15.00 gm Cascade Flowers [7.80 %] (Dry Hop 7 days)Hops -
10.00 gm Simcoe [12.20 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -
15.00 gm Galaxy-Flowers [14.20 %] (Dry Hop 7 days)Hops -
5.00 gm Perle [8.50 %] (Dry Hop 7 days) Hops -
10.00 gm Cascade [7.80 %] (60 min) Hops 7.7 IBU
5.00 gm Galaxy 2009 crop [13.40 %] (60 min) Hops 6.6 IBU
10.00 gm Perle [8.50 %] (60 min) Hops 8.4 IBU
10.00 gm Simcoe [12.20 %] (60 min) Hops 12.0 IBU
7.50 gm Simcoe [12.20 %] (40 min) Hops 6.8 IBU
10.00 gm Perle [8.50 %] (40 min) Hops 6.4 IBU
10.00 gm Galaxy 2009 crop [13.40 %] (40 min) Hops 10.0 IBU
10.00 gm Cascade [7.80 %] (40 min) Hops 5.8 IBU
10.00 gm Cascade [7.80 %] (20 min) Hops 2.6 IBU
10.00 gm Perle [8.50 %] (20 min) Hops 2.8 IBU
10.00 gm Galaxy 2009 crop [13.40 %] (20 min) Hops 4.4 IBU
7.50 gm Simcoe [12.20 %] (20 min) Hops 3.0 IBU
10.00 gm Perle [8.50 %] (10 min) Hops 1.7 IBU
10.00 gm Galaxy 2009 crop [13.40 %] (10 min) Hops 2.6 IBU
10.00 gm Cascade [7.80 %] (10 min) Hops 1.5 IBU
7.50 gm Simcoe [12.20 %] (10 min) Hops 1.8 IBU
10.00 gm Galaxy 2009 crop [13.40 %] (2 min) Hops 2.2 IBU
10.00 gm Cascade [7.80 %] (2 min) Hops 1.3 IBU
7.50 gm Simcoe [12.20 %] (2 min) Hops 1.5 IBU
10.00 gm Perle [8.50 %] (2 min) Hops 1.4 IBU
1.00 items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 min) Misc
4.00 gm Gypsum (Calcium Sulfate) (Boil 60.0 min) Misc
0.75 kg Sugar, Table (Sucrose) (2.0 EBC) Sugar 7.77 %
1 Pkgs American Ale (Wyeast Labs #1056) [Starter Yeast-Ale


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, No Mash Out
Total Grain Weight: 8.90 kg
----------------------------
Single Infusion, Medium Body, No Mash Out
Step Time Name Description Step Temp
60 min Mash In Add 23.23 L of water at 72.4 C 66.0 C

WOW that is a hop bill and a half!
I find that Perle blends very well with just about everything, IMHO.​

I've used it with many types of hops. It should be just fine, maybe hold off on the dry hopping with it if you have concerns.
When trying to see if different hop will blend well, I just add a very small quantity of the hops (in the right ratio) into a mug with 100mL or so of boiling water.
Give it a good sniff, let sit for a while go sniff again and see if it's nice or nasty, this give you a ruff idea on what it will add to you malt base​

Good luck & Happy brewing​

:drinks:​

​

 

[beerbog]

Wow, that's a truck load of hops!!!!!!! :beerbang: