Pro V Amateur - Who Has The Real Advantage?

[benno1973]

I believe that commercial systems have the benefit of reproducability, and commercial brewers have a lot more tools at hand that the homebrewer would like to have access to. This is balanced by the flexibility of small scale homebrew systems, so it's horses for courses really.

I believe that professional brewers should be allowed to enter comps, as long as they brew the beer themselves regardless of what system they use. However if the comp is advertised as an amateur comp, that speaks for itself really.

And I believe that Darren is a tool.

At least one of these things is blindingly obvious to me.

 

[MarkBastard]

And I believe that Darren is a tool.

At least one of these things is blindingly obvious to me.

I dunno, I looked up the dictionary and it looks like tools can be useful. Darren on the other hand is never useful.

 

[Silo Ted]

wouldn't it be easier to have just 2 categories - pre-bittered & uh, not pre-bittered

it would cover every type of brewing - if any part of the ingredients were boiled by a commercial entity to impart bitterness, you go into a group together

just sayin...

I thought calling it a BREWING comp covers the bases.

Anyway, this has nothing to do with whats being discussed, its about how super awesome those fwk brews are, and how everyone should give ross more of their money, love and religious devotion

 

[kymba]

I thought calling it a BREWING comp covers the bases.

Anyway, this has nothing to do with whats being discussed, its about how super awesome those fwk brews are, and how everyone should give ross more of their money, love and religious devotion

i'm still not sure if this thread is massive troll, beginning with post 1. each of the 8 pages is discussing something different, then darren showed up and...

 

[Online Brewing Supplies]

I believe that professional brewers should be allowed to enter comps, as long as they brew the beer themselves regardless of what system they use. However if the comp is advertised as an amateur comp, that speaks for itself really.

Any beer brewed in a licensed brewery and is subject to Excise tax on the alcohol content..
This makes the beer a commercial product not a home brew, so it is impossible for Ross to produce an amateur beer on his licensed brewery.
If excise was paid its commercial.
If excise wasnt paid that would be illegal.
Nev

 

[benno1973]

Any beer brewed in a licensed brewery and is subject to Excise tax on the alcohol content..
This makes the beer a commercial product not a home brew, so it is impossible for Ross to produce an amateur beer on his licensed brewery.

Is that right? I'm not having a go, just am interested - it's not possible to brew a personal batch of beer on a commercial system? Do commercial systems have to be licenced and every beer produced by them incurs excise?

 

[Fents]

you can still brew WORT and not pay excise, its when you ferment that wort to create alcohol then it becomes subject to excise tax.

 

[Online Brewing Supplies]

Is that right? I'm not having a go, just am interested - it's not possible to brew a personal batch of beer on a commercial system? Do commercial systems have to be licenced and every beer produced by them incurs excise?

The breweryusually holds a producers licence which covers the whole building. Any alcohol produced is taxable.
You could in theory brew a personal batch but it will be taxed therefore commercial.
The tax dept will also audit your records on grain used etc and see if you have been a little bit dishonest
I have seen it happen.
Nev

 

[MarkBastard]

The breweryusually holds a producers licence which covers the whole building. Any alcohol produced is taxable.
You could in theory brew a personal batch but it will be taxed therefore commercial.
The tax dept will also audit your records on grain used etc and see if you have been a little bit dishonest
I have seen it happen.
Nev

Ross sells grain direct to the public, and sells FWK's.

 

[Online Brewing Supplies]

Ross sells grain direct to the public, and sells FWK's.

They would have to be different entities.
Nev

 

[Lord Raja Goomba I]

They would have to be different entities.
Nev

What? Bacchus Brewing and Craftbrewer?

Goomba

 

[winkle]

What? Bacchus Brewing and Craftbrewer?

Goomba

Yes (AFAIK) three seperate business, check the website - Pub shop is the other one.

 

[MarkBastard]

They would have to be different entities.
Nev

But you said it covers the whole building?

 

[Online Brewing Supplies]

But you said it covers the whole building?

Usually the licensed area for production and bonded area is marked on a plan and ok'd by the liquor licensing dept.
Running other business from the same building, I dont know about.

 

[MHB]

As interesting as the inner workings of the QLD home brewing fraternity are, this is seriously Off Topic.
In keeping with the whole Off Topic theme: -
Sounds like you guys are going to have an interesting meeting, has anyone considered that the rules are set by the AABC.
As far as I know anyone hosting/organising a competition that will be a qualifying competition for the Nationals must agree to abide by the rules of the AABC you dont get to make up your own! The only way to get the rules changed is by a vote of the AABC delegates, you may make suggestions to your delegates, but frankly thats about all.
Each state has (I believe) 2 delegates Ross is one of yours.

Can I suggest that this thread be either closed or split, I was following the Pro/Am discussion with interest, of which I have very little in what you guys in QLD think of your state comp.
Mark

 

[winkle]

As interesting as the inner workings of the QLD home brewing fraternity are, this is seriously Off Topic.
In keeping with the whole Off Topic theme: -
Sounds like you guys are going to have an interesting meeting, has anyone considered that the rules are set by the AABC.
As far as I know anyone hosting/organising a competition that will be a qualifying competition for the Nationals must agree to abide by the rules of the AABC you dont get to make up your own! The only way to get the rules changed is by a vote of the AABC delegates, you may make suggestions to your delegates, but frankly thats about all.
Each state has (I believe) 2 delegates Ross is one of yours.

Can I suggest that this thread be either closed or split, I was following the Pro/Am discussion with interest, of which I have very little in what you guys in QLD think of your state comp.
Mark

Ditto (and to think this one started to get away from the other thread).

 

[ekul]

Of the five brewers i know who brew properly (ie not knk fermented at 25+C) i can say honestly that every single one of them has a produced at least one beer that i have thought is miles above any commercial beer that i've ever tried. The best beer i ever tried was a homebrewed beer from bundaberg.

This means that either i got lucky and have found the best five brewers in the country (were) living within driving distance of me, or that every homebrewer has the advantage over a commercial brewer. Ass good as those blokes are at brewing i think its the latter.

Commercial brewers probably have the advantage when it comes to clarity though

 

[DUANNE]

how many home brewers can brew 5-10 different beers every week( assuming minimums here). week in week out? i would say not many.being that in many styles a fresh beer is very advantagious (apa,mild, bitter,ipa off the top of my head) this can make an absolutly huge difference.i can brew 2 beers in a temp controlled enviroment at a time, assuming they both require the same temp.so 2 beers every 3 weeks or so. would it be an advantage to put down 5 brews in one week and keep them temp controlled? this is not mentioning being able to cherry pick between however many versions of the same brew to find the best one. we did 5 ipa's this week wich will i chose to enter? the results speak for themselves to me in this case, was there an advantage? look at the score board , obvious isnt it! once a person has made the jump to professional brewing they should be entering in proffesional comps. amateur comps are for amateurs, if this isnt simple enough im glad the entrant isnt doing anything that is important. imagine a surgeon who couldnt get something that simple and straight forward through theyre head, paying some one else to cut a persons brain open and then taking credit if it was sucessfull.im sure it wouldnt go down well.

 

[sim]

asuming you could brew 5 brews a week, what would you do with all that beer? it would be stale before you drank it all.

homebrewers arent necessarily that comparible to pros. we brew for different reasons.

homebrewers have alot of freedom where pros dont. pros will more often understand the craft more intimately than homebrewers.

just seperate the two along some lines and people will sort themselves out alright.


sim

 

[kymba]

blah

I suggest that this thread be either closed or split, I was following the Pro/Am discussion with interest, of which I have very little in what you guys in QLD think of your state comp.
Mark

What! you want to split this thread and make me follow the 507 topics already included in this thread?!?! including the whiney fathers supporting some bullshit? i don't have time for that. pls keep all off topic posts in this thread

edit: beerhog, will you pls elaborate on this professional brewer pumping out 5 - 10 differnet brews per week