perspective

[Cocko]

I need a few of them stickers for my council workshop.

Effectively rendering your workplace inoperable

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

So...many....fuckwits....

So few stickers

 

[bradsbrew]

I did my white card on-line,payed for by my NSW job provider service. On-line company was all QLD content. White card was issued from WA...

Blue Dodgie Dog ?

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Got no idea...dont care...

I spent 18yrs on the railways trackside...

When you get a knobjockey who has spent 2 yrs "working" for the Railways........

I so wanted to grab a det...

 

[bradsbrew]

A whitecard - CPCCOHS1001, is a basic introduction that is designed to alert people new to construction sites on the basic hazards and how to perform a risk assessment associated with with a hazardous task. Many registered training organisations (RTO) have just made their curriculum to make sure they can pass an ASQA audit against the unit description that was built around supposed industry engagement and provided by CPISC.
This is supposed to revolve around the "harmonisation" of WHS across Australia which is an absolute joke and failure, the states will never agree.
Site specific inductions are more important but are being made useless because the people delivering the training are focused on what they need to cover to prevent litigation. Obviously dependant on the site, but site specific inductions could be made more informative, clear, concise if not for the fear of the principle contractor losing if someone was to hurt themselves for committing stupidity.

The whitecard is just an insult to long term construction workers.


Oh yeah, I can match colours and can follow working drawings- I'll take the job JLM. Actually if I could find an electrician that can do a fit out without putting their grubby hands over paintwork, I would be happy. I once made a considerable amount of money out of a large electrical contractor because some twits couldn't measure or read a plan, 52/ 300mm aircon ducts in the wrong spot and 64 ac unit head power cut outs 100mm lower than specified.

 

[Not For Horses]

The whitecard is just an insult to long term construction workers.

Or anyone with more than 8 braincells

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Its bullshit

 

[zappa]

We had our dishwashing liquid removed from our office kitchen because it contained chemicals that could make you sick if ingested.... Yes, some of these boffins just have too much time on their hands and need to be seen by management as adding value.

Myself, I'm a firm believer in natural selection. If you're stupid enough to drink the dishwashing liquid, you deserve to get sick. If you're stupid enough to not look for traffic when you cross the road, then...

 

[Not For Horses]

I worked for a crowd in Townsville a few years back that required an incident report to be sent to head office, which is in another state, if I used a band aid from the first aid kit.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

It was explained to me that even if you used a band aid it had to be documented. The basis being that if your papercut got infected and you required further treatment you would be covered.

 

[of mice and gods]

Hah, I remember an old manager screaming at people who went to get a band aid from the first aid kit outside his office. He didn't want the paperwork so would buy a packet of band aids and keep them in his drawer so the first aid kit never got used, hence no incident report forms..

On another note, if my guys have to do a site specific induction for a one off job that's cool, but you pay for him from ignition off to ignition on. It is a bit of a fuckaround with all these centre management ones on top of the store induction. Invariably the centre management is at the other end of the complex and you have to sign in and out as well.. If it's on a big quoted job, I take into account induction time as charge-able labour hours.

Alternately if things are really hectic and you have an urgent must-be-done-yesterday job that requires an induction you don't have then we just tell the client we can either do their job now, or not until we have available time to complete the induction (which may be in a day or week), generally they are desperate enough to give us the nod and provide us with a low level employee as an escort so as we don't hurt ourselves in carrying out the work that we do day in, day out, year round

 

[shaunous]

It's only going to get worse.

 

[browndog]

It's hard reading this when you have had a young workmate and friend die at work, it IS all about perspective.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

True. Unfortunatly things do happen, despite the best efforts made.

 

[Not For Horses]

It's hard reading this when you have had a young workmate and friend die at work, it IS all about perspective.

Can I ask what happened?

 

[manticle]

That is a very valid point Browndog. I guess the main issue is when health and safety laws and bureaucracy actually become an impingement to safe work practices that it becomes an issue.

There does need to be a realistic, pragmatic balance between risk identification and mitigation and endless paperwork and superficial box ticking. OHS has become a self perpetuating industry in its own right to a degree but just because you've been cutting MDF without a mask for 40 years doesn't make it stupid to start wearing one now.

My forklift training was carried out by an incompetent redneck wanker, who while denigrating all of us on how we would never be a forklift driver's arsehole, deliberately went through every answer on the test to make sure we were 100% correct and 100% correctly worded. If it wasn't, he would get us to change it. Skipped the appropriate examination of forklift operation prior to use saying 'if anyone asks, you've done it' and was more concerned with his cup of tea and keeping a job he should have lost long ago than with actually producing competent operators.

Unfortunately this shit is rife and paperwork does little to fix it. More administration fees, more training and tickets required to carry out tasks, same incompetency (or worse) being pushed into the workforce. Not saying all trainers are like that but guiding people, handheld through documentation so they can continue charging big bucks for training in plant and equipment use does my head in. If someone can't do the test on their own, don't pass them.

 

[dicko]

I know from where you are coming manticle

A few years ago I had a guy that had completed and passed all the relevant training courses for my industry.

He turns up at work this day and I send him to a job after explaining to him the equipment and its use and when he gets to the job site he rings me asks what volume of chemical he needs to mix.
I ask him "What is the square metres of the job" and he says "how do I work that out" **** me this was all part of his training......so I rang the trainer and was told..."Orh! we help em through the course cause some struggle a bit"....Well do I have to say it again ...**** me!!!!

One module of the course is safety and I can't for the life of me see that it is any advantage helping anyone with a safety exam or any other module for that matter....and to make it worse I paid for those courses.
Well not any more...now the employee pays for his entire course and after he has been with me for twelve months and shows his competency and ability to work and abide by safety standards, I refund in full his course costs. I also do a mini test on their maths ability on the initial interview and wrong answer = no start.

And this is to say nothing of the paperwork involved on every job we do to satisfy some "shiny arse" sitting in an office all day.

 

[Bridges]

Unfortunately a lot of training organizations never admit that some knuckleheads cannot be taught. If people fail it is seen as the fault of the instructor. Not that this is an excuse for idiots as above, but I remember in trade school, a teacher telling me he wanted to fail most of the class as they were idiots who didn't pay attention. They all deserved to be failed, but it would have made him look bad. Not the other way round, and this guy was a fantastic teacher.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Nothing like a cornflake packet licence...oops..I mean competancy......

 

[jlm]

There does need to be a realistic, pragmatic balance between risk identification and mitigation and endless paperwork and superficial box ticking. OHS has become a self perpetuating industry in its own right to a degree but just because you've been cutting MDF without a mask for 40 years doesn't make it stupid to start wearing one now.

This sums it up in my opinion. I tell anyone who's working under me that if they're not comfortable doing what I've asked them to (because they feel its unsafe, not because they don't want to get in the ceiling because its hot) to tell me straight away and that I don't mind. Quite frankly if I had anyone repeatedly putting themselves or others in harm's way I'd send them back and tell the boss and say I don't want to work with them, something I'm quite comfortable doing because of competency which is minor in comparison.

But as I stated earlier, no matter how much training is put in place there's still going be be serious injury and death on site due to the nature of the work that we do. I've seen quite a bit of bad shit and have lost vision in my right eye because of a workplace accident but luckily I haven't been around a fatality.......Maybe that would change my opinion but as it stands I think we are way over the top.