Perception

[DUANNE]

ive got nothing against speedie and think his posts have actually been able to bring out some remarkably good responses from other much more experianced and learned brewers that ive learnt heaps from.but to say that all yeast tastes the same,from my point of view and personal experiance, is complete and utter bullshit.

 

[manticle]

Maybe I misread him but the point I got from his post was not all yeast tastes the same. The point I got was to put taste perception to the test by comparing.

I absolutely agree that even slight changes in brewing ingredients can give a vastly different result and even VB swillers could pick that a US05 beer was different to a whitbread 1099 beer, even if they didn't know why.

Speedos was suggesting that only a small proportion of people could tell there was a difference - I absolutely disagree BUT I don't think his suggestion of a test was outrageous and I don't think he deserved half of the shit flinging he got from post one.

@speedie: If you are questioning whether different hops taste different or liquid versus dry gives a different result, then by all means carry out the tests yourself and report back. I know the same base malt bill, same yeast and same ferment schedule with the spec malt bill altered by 3-400g will give a vastly different colour and flavour. I know that the same grain and hop schedule with a different UK yeats will give a less obvious but different result. I know that the same malt bill with one hop in one beer and two hops in another will be quite different. I know that the same beer with US05 or 1007 (liquid versus dry) will give very different results.

No blind tasting but no bias either - in the last example I prefer the dry over the liquid, in others, the liquid over the dry.

It's about what makes beer work for me.

 

[manticle]

But here's the rub, he's talking about a matter that is well known to all as though he has thought of it, made some wild extrapolations, then told people to prove him wrong rather than having anything to support his case himself - I'd suggest that is what is bothering people.

Plus, a great many seem to generously be giving speedie credit for probably meaning that we should be seeing what the differences are for ourselves. It seems pretty clear to me that he is suggesting that vast majority of people won't see a difference - thus, by weight of numbers, there is no difference. That is probably getting under the skin of some as well.

Sorry for double post.

You could be right bum. As I said - you have a history with him and I know a few other people do too. Just seems a lot of people are ready to jump on the antispeedwagon based on not very much at all.

If this guy were completely unknown to everyone, I reckon a few people at least might make more of an effort to be mildly friendly even if the effort were shortlived.

I'm just not a fan of pre-judging (roman font and bad haiku poems notwithstanding).

 

[bum]

@speedie: If you are questioning whether different hops taste different or liquid versus dry gives a different result, then by all means carry out the tests yourself and report back.

Ah, I think I see now. Speedie isn't a n00b. Speedie is Old Man Homebrew. He invented beer. Won every comp there is and taught the West to brew. He's no novice. His brew length is 400L. He is here to tell us what is what. His position is always firm and unquestioning (especially when asking questions).

 

[[email protected]]

Where is speedie? He/she seems to have disappeared from the discussion.

 

[bum]

His brew coven meets thursday nights. He'll be in fine form in a few hours.

 

[speedie]

Warlocks and witches had a great time at the coven but the moment past midnight all was quite not a mouse was stirring

Who is that masked enigma

 

[speedie]

May I say that you have misunderstood my post

Put three beers in front of yourself you have NO! Idea which one is liquid or power driven

I bet my aggotts again there would be a small percentage that would guess right!

Is this too hard to fathom

Long live wyeast!

 

[speedie]

bum i just noticed that i have been elavted from a kit brewer farrrrk!

 

[jbirbeck]

May I say that you have misunderstood my post

Put three beers in front of yourself you have NO! Idea which one is liquid or power driven

I bet my aggotts again there would be a small percentage that would guess right!

Is this too hard to fathom

Long live wyeast!

depends on the yeast and the ferment temp. There are a stack of yeasts I could pick out of a line up. No way in hell I could tell the diff between 1056 and US 05 though

 

[Silo Ted]

Put three beers in front of yourself you have NO! Idea which one is liquid or power driven

What do you mean by power driven? If you are referring to dry yeast, then of course you can tell the difference, simply by matter of deduction. There arent too many dry yeasts on the market, so the same beer with say US05, WLP300 and Wyeast 3724 would be markedly different.

 

[earle]

May I say that you have misunderstood my post

Put three beers in front of yourself you have NO! Idea which one is liquid or power driven

I bet my aggotts again there would be a small percentage that would guess right!

Is this too hard to fathom

Long live wyeast!

And here we go with mid-sentence exclamation marks.

 

[unrealeous]

I don't know about the rest of you fuckers - but I'm keen to make an arsenic brew with this new little lady.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...-science-space/

 

[speedie]

here is more ******* slander
do you get it or what

 

[Nashmandu]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah, ive just spent half an hour reading nothing but speedie posts, ******* classic. Speedie; you are a crazy fucker who makes no sense, but every NOW! and then I kinda like what? you-'are doing

enigma,
enema,
nashmandu

 

[Bribie G]

there was a young fellow called Aggot
Who couldn't tell gems from a Maggot
(insert three lines here which would result in the last word of the Limerick being "******"

B)

 

[MHB]

bum i just noticed that i have been elavted from a kit brewer farrrrk!

Just means you have been posting too much (hint)
MHB

 

[gregs]

What is power yeast? Is it 6 seconds over the quarter mile? :huh:

The guys a dipshit. :angry:

 

[Nick JD]

I would like to be able to buy the entire Wyeast range in a dried form for $4.95 for 12g.

Which begs another question that is probably better asked on a new thread.

 

[insane_rosenberg]