Orfey's Hobgoblin Clone

[felten]

TBN just put up their Wychwood hobgoblin interview on can you brew it. Interesting that they use cascade along with the styrians late.

 

[Brewman_]

I am drinking Orfy's version of the recipe now.

I was inspired to make Hobgoblin after drinking it at the Sherlock holmes in Melbourne, off the keg. Of all thier good beers Hobgoblin was the best. When I was drinking it, I was thought there was an American character to the hop, but I doubted that I was assessing it correctly. When I read this I immediately thought that sounds right.

A few weeks later I bought a bottle and I have to say it was no where near the beer that was coming off the Keg, and that fresh hop character was not present, but hey still a good beer.

So my attempt at Orfy's Hobgoblin. I pretty much made it to Orfy's recipe.
It's good, it has a lovely English hop aroma and great Malt on the nose, really good.
Colour looks absolutely spot on, would not change a thing there.
Flavour, The Hop character is not quite as complex as I recall it. There is a minerally / yeast character that initially dominates the hop flavour and also the Malt is masked by this too. The taste at the end is great when the yeast character drops away. I used dry Nottingham yeast, first time so not sure if this is a charcteristic of the yeast or whether it has come about from my (poor) fermentation?

Overall the beer is good, maybe I have just not got a real clean ferment that has taken away a little from it. I will brew this again and I will try a different yeast and maybe toss a little late (20 mins) cascade into the boil

Fear.

 

[Murcluf]

TBN just put up their Wychwood hobgoblin interview on can you brew it. Interesting that they use cascade along with the styrians late.

Thats interesting as on the Brakspear's website the video Linky states it's only Fuggles & Stryian are used in Wychwood's Hobgoblin

 

[bcp]

"Is this what you meant to say? 1275 attenuates more than 1469 (all things being equal), and doesn't accent the malt as much. The balance of malt/hop is much more even with 1275 than with 1469 imo, from doing many double batches fermented 1/2 1469 and 1/2 1275. 1275 was my yeast of choice before 1469 came into being.

I definately agree that 1275 would be the yeast of choice for the hobgoblin....1275 is said to be the Brakspear strain, and wychwood is part of Brakspear."
Butters. http://brewadelaide.com/forum/index.php?topic=371.0

Hazard

I brew a Hobgoblin, slightly different to Orfys.

Rocked up to a case swap with a full keg, went home empty!

Here 'tis for comparison

92% Maris Otter
5.5% Medium Crystal
1.5% black malt
1% chocolate malt

Fuggles at 60
Fuggles and Styrians at 20
Fuggles and Styrians at 0

Wyeast 1187 - Ringwood

OG 1.062
EBC 38
IBU 36

Thames Valley = This strain produces classic British bitters with a rich, complex flavor profile. The yeast has a light malt character, low fruitiness, low esters and is clean and well balanced.
Ringwood = A top cropping yeast strain with unique fermentation and flavor characteristics. Expect distinct fruit esters with a malty, complex profile. Flocculation is high, and the beer will clear well without filtration. A thorough diacetyl rest is recommended after fermentation is complete.

Interesting choice. It seems the difference is the ringwood brings out fruity flavours. My wife unexpectedly bought me a hobgoblin, so i'll have to taste it and see.

 

[RobinHood]

This is an old string but for what it is worth Orfy has produced a revision of his Hobgoblin :-

http://orfybeer.blogspot.com.au/2013/08/orfys-hob-goblin-ii.html

[SIZE=18pt]Sunday, 25 August 2013[/SIZE]
[SIZE=13.5pt]Orfy's Hob Goblin II [/SIZE]
[SIZE=18pt]Hob Goblin II[/SIZE]
[SIZE=13.5pt]English Old Ale[/SIZE]



[SIZE=12pt]Type:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] All Grain[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Date:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] 20/12/2006[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Batch Size[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] 23.00 L[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Brewer[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] Orfy[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Boil Size:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] 30.29 L[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Asst Brewer[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]:[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Boil Time[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] 60 min [/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Equipment[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] ORFY BREW EQUIPMENT [/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Taste Rating(out of 50)[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] 50.0 [/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Brewhouse Efficiency[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] 80.0[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Taste Notes[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] Hobgoblin is a powerful full-bodied copper red, well-balanced brew. Strong in roasted malt with a moderate hoppy bitterness and slight fruity character that lasts through to the end. A full chocolate malt flavour beer by the addition of a small proportio[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Ingredients[/SIZE]​

[SIZE=12pt]Amount[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Item[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Type[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]% or IBU[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]4.80 kg[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Marris Otter Pale (2 Row) UK (3.0 SRM)[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Grain[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]88.9 %[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]0.25 kg[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Caramel/Crystal Malt - 60L (60.0 SRM)[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Grain[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]4.6 %[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]0.20 kg[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Cara-Pils/Dextrine (2.0 SRM)[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Grain[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]3.7 %[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]0.15 kg[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Chocolate Malt (450.0 SRM)[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Grain[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]2.8 %[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]15.00 gm[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Styrian Goldings [5.00%] (60 min) (First Wort Hop)[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Hops[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]7.9 IBU[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]15.00 gm[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Fuggles [4.50%] (60 min) (First Wort Hop)[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Hops[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]7.1 IBU[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]15.00 gm[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Styrian Goldings [5.00%] (30 min)[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Hops[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]5.6 IBU[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]15.00 gm[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Fuggles [4.50%] (30 min)[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Hops[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]5.0 IBU[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]15.00 gm[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Fuggles [4.50%] (60 min) (Aroma Hop-Steep)[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Hops[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]- [/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]15.00 gm[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Styrian Goldings [5.00%] (60 min) (Aroma Hop-Steep)[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Hops[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]- [/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]1.00 tsp[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Irish Moss (Boil 10.0 min)[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Misc[/SIZE]




[SIZE=12pt]1 Pkgs[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Nottingham (Danstar #-)[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Yeast-Ale[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Beer Profile[/SIZE]​

[SIZE=12pt]Est Original Gravity[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] 1.056 SG[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Measured Original Gravity[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] 1.056 SG[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Est Final Gravity:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] 1.013 SG[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Measured Final Gravity[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] 1.015 SG[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Estimated Alcohol by Vol:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] 5.5 % [/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Actual Alcohol by Vol:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] 5.3 %[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Bitterness:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] 25.6 IBU[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Calories:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] 530 cal/l[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Est Color:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] 17.2 SRM[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Color[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]:[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Color [/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Mash Profile[/SIZE]​

[SIZE=12pt]Mash Name[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] Single Infusion, Full Body, Batch Sparge[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Total Grain Weight[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] 5.40 kg[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Sparge Water[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] 24.60 L[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Grain Temperature[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] 20.0 C[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Sparge Temperature[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] 78.0 C[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]TunTemperature[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] 20.0 C[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Adjust Temp for Equipment[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] TRUE[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Mash PH[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] 5.4 PH[/SIZE]





[SIZE=12pt]Name[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Description[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Step Temp[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Step Time[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Mash In[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Add 14.09 L of water at 78.2 C[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]69.0 C[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]90 min[/SIZE]






[SIZE=12pt]Mash Notes: [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]Simple single infusion mash for use with most modern well modified grains (about 95% of the time).[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Carbonation and Storage[/SIZE]​

[SIZE=12pt]Carbonation Type[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] Dried Malt Extract[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Volumes of CO2[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] 1.9[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Pressure/Weight[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] 117.8 gm[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Carbonation Used[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] -[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Keg/Bottling Temperature[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] 15.6 C[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Age for[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] 21.0 days[/SIZE]


[SIZE=12pt]Storage Temperature[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]:[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] 15.0 C[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Notes[/SIZE]​

 

[warra48]

This one seems to me to promise a much better clone than his original recipe.

I always felt the black malt in the original was totally out of place.