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Dunkel_Boy

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Look at these...

Already polished off the Chimay and Kwak, hope to taste the others over the next few days.
Anybody got any favourites?
 

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My favourites would be the Youngs Double Chocolate Stout (had one a couple of weeks ago) and the Aventinus Doppelbock (have one in the fridge).
The best think I like about the Kwak is the glass it is supposed to be drunk from. I actually have one that a mate bought me with 4 kwaks in a gift pack.

I've got a pretty good clone recipe for the Aventinus Doppelbock that comes close. Still working on a recipe for the Youngs. I have the chocolate ready, just need to have a break from too many experimental brew days :lol:

Hope you enjoy them.

Beers,
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Out of those, I've only had Chimay, Aventinus and Leffe Brune.
Aventinus is one of my favourite, perhaps my favourite.
I'd like that Aventinus recipe if you have it on hand...
 

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Here tis.

Beers,
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Aventinus Clone

A ProMash Recipe Report

BJCP Style and Style Guidelines
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17-D Wheat Beer, Weizenbock

Min OG: 1.066 Max OG: 1.080
Min IBU: 15 Max IBU: 30
Min Clr: 14 Max Clr: 49 Color in EBC

Recipe Specifics
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Batch Size (L): 23.40 Wort Size (L): 23.40
Total Grain (kg): 8.35
Anticipated OG: 1.081 Plato: 19.61
Anticipated EBC: 27.3
Anticipated IBU: 18.1
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70 %
Wort Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Pre-Boil Amounts
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Evaporation Rate: 10.00 Percent Per Hour
Pre-Boil Wort Size: 27.53 L
Pre-Boil Gravity: 1.069 SG 16.84 Plato

Formulas Used
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Brewhouse Efficiency and Predicted Gravity based on Method #1, Potential Used.
Final Gravity Calculation Based on Points.
Hard Value of Sucrose applied. Value for recipe: 46.2100 ppppg
Yield Type used in Gravity Prediction: Fine Grind Dry Basis.

Color Formula Used: Morey
Hop IBU Formula Used: Rager

Additional Utilization Used For Plug Hops: 2 %
Additional Utilization Used For Pellet Hops: 10 %


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential EBC
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59.9 5.00 kg. JWM Wheat Malt Australia 1.040 4
15.0 1.25 kg. JWM Light Munich Australia 1.038 20
14.4 1.20 kg. JWM Traditional Ale Malt Australia 1.038 7
10.8 0.90 kg. Weyermann Caramunich I Germany 1.036 100

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
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45.00 g. Hersbrucker Plug 3.00 16.7 90 min.
15.00 g. Hersbrucker Plug 3.00 1.4 15 min.


Yeast
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WYeast 3068 Weihenstephan Weizen


Water Profile
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Profile:
Profile known for:

Calcium(Ca): 0.0 ppm
Magnesium(Mg): 0.0 ppm
Sodium(Na): 0.0 ppm
Sulfate(SO4): 0.0 ppm
Chloride(Cl): 0.0 ppm
biCarbonate(HCO3): 0.0 ppm

pH: 0.00


Mash Schedule
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Mash Type: Single Step

Grain kg: 8.35
Water Qts: 0.00 - Before Additional Infusions
Water L: 0.00 - Before Additional Infusions

L Water Per kg Grain: 0.00 - Before Additional Infusions

Saccharification Rest Temp : 0 Time: 0
Mash-out Rest Temp : 0 Time: 0
Sparge Temp : 0 Time: 0


Total Mash Volume L: 0.00 - Dough-In Infusion Only

All temperature measurements are degrees Celsius.
 

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I should find out the water profile of the stuff they use at the Schneider and Sohn brewery.
The recipe looks about what I'd imagine.
Any differences would probably be in the malt and water used.

EDIT: Mmmm, Munich water hey... will get on that soon.
 

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Munich, Germany

Calcium: 75.0 ppm
Sulfate: 10.0 ppm
Magnesium: 20.0 ppm
Chloride: 2.0 ppm
Sodium: 10.0 ppm Bicarbonate: 200.0 ppm
PH: 8.0
Notes: High carbonate levels accentuate low hopping rates and darker color found in Dunkels and Bocks.
 

Dunkel_Boy

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Thanks Ross, already got it in a spreadsheet. :)
I was thinking adding some calcium carbonate (chalk) to my filtered water... just a bit though, everything else seems pretty low.
 
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Aventinus is my fave. The recipe I worked out:

Brewing Method: All Grain
Yeast: WY 3056 Bavarian Wheat
Yeast Starter: 3L
Batch Size: 23L
Original Gravity: 1083
Final Gravity: 1021
Alcohol Content: 8 %
Total Grains: 9.5K
Color:
Extract Efficiency: 75% %
Hop IBU's: 25
Boiling Time: 90 mins
Primary Fermentation: 7 days @ 18C
Secondary Fermentation: 4 weeks @ 10C
Additional Fermentation:

Grain Bill:

5.4K Wheat malt
2.1K Pale malt
1.65 Munich malt
350g Cararoma malt
40g Chocolate malt
150g Melanoidin malt

Hop Bill:

100g Hallertau Hersbrucker 2%AA 90 minutes for 25IBU
14g HH last 15 minutes

Mash Schedule:

20 mins @ 50C
60 mins @ 68C
10 mins @ 76C then run off

Brewers Notes:

Pitch at 12C, ferment at 18C

After bottling, warm condition for one week, then cold condition for 3 weeks


Jovial Monk
 

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Had them all.

Favourite would be Aventinus. I love a good weissebock.

Least favourite would be the Green King IPA. Its only marginally better on cask too.

Those are all supermarket available beers over here :)
 

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I paid something like $50 for all 7 beers, but I can afford it. :)
 

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Deuchar's IPA can also be a stunning beer when on good form (at least in cask).


Yeast
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WYeast 3068 Weihenstephan Weizen
If you're trying to clone Aventinus, why not culture Schneider yeast from a bottle since it produces significantly different flavours to Weihenstephan?
 

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I love Aventinus - just bought a case of the suckers too :D

I look forward to having a crack at your recipe Doc. Thanks for providing it.
 

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I look forward to having a crack at your avatar NRB...
 

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Thats a lovely selection of beers there Dunkel Boy.

Aventinus is one of the best beers going around! I have tried all of those except Kwak.

And I agree with Sean on the Deuchars IPA. Had a session on the cask version in Chesterfield last year, absolutely drinkable and great hop aroma!

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I'd go the Kwak & Chimay Blue, with Kook all the way on Greene King.

Though the absolute fave would have to be the Leffe- was once given a (3l ?) magnum of this by the landlord of my local, drank it in one session...mmm.
 

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Made an Aventinus clone about October last year and have been "maturing" it.
I think next w/e I'll crack it out.

The Dark Leffe is great esp. when fresh.
 

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Looks good dunkel boy, i too have had all those beers except the kwak. I really couldn't pick a fave though, to be honest i think green king's beers are a little disapointing with maybe there 'abbot ale' being my favourite.
Deuchars IPA is awesome, very refreshing and drinkable and much more hop flavour and aroma than nearly any other beer i have ever brought. I think the hop in that maybe EKG but iam not exactly sure, it certainly has quite a real lemon like citrus note which sometime i have got from EKG.
The leffe brune is a fav here also and if i only have time for one beer when i drop into the BBC it'll be the brune on tap.
The Aventinus is quite unussual, i picked alot more cloves than bananna from the yeast and a almost vanilla like aroma.
The double choc stout i think i had expected to be unreal before even trying it after reading so much hype about the beer. It did indeed rock but with all the hype i did expect it to fully blow me away more than it did.
Finally what can you say about chimay? well it is truelly awesome. If you get a chance you may find chimay three packs with a chimay glass around some bottle shops going for around $26 which is a deal which you can't pass up.
Anyway enjoy.

Jayse
 

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Have to say the Poms are always putting themselves behind the eight-ball right from the outset.

Bloody clear glass bottles. :angry: What are they thinking here?? Think they have a deathwish with their beers.

Warren -
 

THE DRUNK ARAB

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warrenlw63 said:
Have to say the Poms are always putting themselves behind the eight-ball right from the outset.

Bloody clear glass bottles. :angry: What are they thinking here?? Think they have a deathwish with their beers.

Warren -
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Whats up Warren, no fat chick pics? :D

C&B
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Not a problem where the sun don't shine.....lol :D
 

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