To answer Gav's question, there are two carboy style bungs on the HX rods that seal up the lid and the weight of the device itself keeps that contact solid throughout the brew. The question about kill rates is also very important. The reason most peltiers break is due to the expansion and contraction of the structural material holding the thermocouple arrays in place within the peltier module. In fact, we've had many peltiers break on us when we pushed them too hard, or had them surf the set temp without a substantial hysteresis band. Using a standard PID will break the chips within about 3 weeks, or so we've found. The solution is duty cycle phasing, so we control exactly how much the delta between the top side and bottom side of the chip is at any given point in the cycle, minimizing the structural strain. This is all handled by the firmware in our temperature controller. What we have is smooth expansion periods and smooth contraction periods vastly elongating the life of the chips.