Kit & Kilo Suppliers Are Con Artists

[sinkas]

without coopers can of poo, i mean goo, this forum and hobby probably woudlnt exist.

and I am reliaBLY INORMED THAT POSTER ON pUPMP'Y DOOR WAS INFACT bERT nEWTON..

 

[bradsbrew]

without coopers can of poo, i mean goo, this forum and hobby probably woudlnt exist.

and I am reliaBLY INORMED THAT POSTER ON pUPMP'Y DOOR WAS INFACT bERT nEWTON..

That caps lock button next to a iS A bItCh hEy sInKaS

 

[Pollux]

Sinkas, do you own a Sony Viao laptop???

I do, and I always always hit that bloody caps key..

 

[Jase71]

Pat up at Springwood and St MArys does that.
Top bloke.. loves the art, loves the beer.

++++++1. I was referred to Pat (referred to from Dave @ Nth Sydney, ) and had a good old chat about the Amarillo situation. Bothe Dave & Pat are great guys, albeit 'opposition traders'

 

[quantocks]

Daves pretty damn nice, his prices are at least $5 per item more expensive than usual though.

 

[rodsolo]

I got into brewing about 5 years ago using Kits, bought from Grain and Grape and found both John and Chris very helpfull, in terms of advice and suggestions on adapting kits.Chris in particular suggested different additions - yeasts etc. Sure I tried clones to begin with but found I preferred to play around with things to make what I wanted with my limited resources. I found a hbs in Toodyay (500k's from me) where the guy knows what he's talkning about, yet the local Hbs 230 ks (Kalgoorlie) away know jack. So I guess what I'm saying is if you've got any real interest in brewing , find someone who cares about what he or she is selling. :chug:

 

[Leigh]

I think the mods should renaim this thread to "the elitist biggots" thread

Can the people that actually buy VB and New really tell the difference between them?

I am a DJ and have a very good understanding of mixing music. When I go out and listen to djs playing - they are shit - but know one knows.....because they aren't educated...they think it is good.

As Phillip suggests, I think we could go through and find something in every house of the posters in this thread and find something that they do on a day to day basis that is uneducated to the small minority that are educated in that field...

Can the average Joe tell the difference? Probably not...you should feel privilaged that you can!

So there is no reason that a knowledgeable brewer couldn't take a coopers pale ale kit, apply their knowledge and produce a fair facsimile of an actual Coopers Pale Ale. It might not be exactly the same - but then again its fairly likely that it would be just as close as I could get trying to make an AG clone of the same beer.

...and I've also got an issue with people supplying "exact" recipes for James Squire Amber or Golden Ale...I think at last count there were at least 20 of each on this forum claiming to be exact replicas! I don't think anybody can get an exact replica, but they can get close!

Dont get angry.....Get AG'ing.....
100's of people can't be wrong.

Exactly, if 100's can't be wrong AG-ing then it is only logical that 1000's can't be wrong K&King and 1,000,000's can't be wrong megaswilling :lol:

These threads make me laugh on every forum...whether its Holden v Ford or whatever...try walking into a Holden dealer and telling them their product is shit compared to the Ford and I'm sure you'll get a similar reaction to Pumpy's first post LOL

 

[staggalee]

I think the mods should renaim this thread to "the elitist biggots" thread



As Phillip suggests, I think we could go through and find something in every house of the posters in this thread and find something that they do on a day to day basis that is uneducated to the small minority that are educated in that field...

Can the average Joe tell the difference? Probably not...you should feel privilaged that you can!



...and I've also got an issue with people supplying "exact" recipes for James Squire Amber or Golden Ale...I think at last count there were at least 20 of each on this forum claiming to be exact replicas! I don't think anybody can get an exact replica, but they can get close!



Exactly, if 100's can't be wrong AG-ing then it is only logical that 1000's can't be wrong K&King and 1,000,000's can't be wrong megaswilling :lol:

These threads make me laugh on every forum...whether its Holden v Ford or whatever...try walking into a Holden dealer and telling them their product is shit compared to the Ford and I'm sure you'll get a similar reaction to Pumpy's first post LOL

Whatever, I`m thinking of hiring Phil for our next celebration.
He`s good. {he even said so} and those other dj`s are shit {he even said that too}
As long as his hourly rate isn`t TOTT that is.

stagga

 

[petesbrew]

As found on the TCB recipe page,
Note: These recipes do not duplicate the nominated brand but give you a starting point for experimentation.

Seriously, you know they're not going to taste the same, but if you're motivated enough to redo a recipe to clone a VB, at least you're on the right track to becoming a better brewer aren't you? Rather than thinking "this tastes like shit", and shoving your homebrew kit in the back of the garage next to your unused abcurler, surfboard, guitar, etc...

Without Homebrew shops where would we get our grain from?

Pete. Still a kit lover.

 

[cdbrown]

If it wasn't for kits I wouldn't be making my own beer. But thankfully (after creating volumes of high alc% cats piss) I found this site and discovered that what is written on the small instruction sheet under the lid of the coopers can is complete shit and followed the great guides and help dotted around.

Kits have their place.

 

[Bribie G]

If it wasn't for kits I wouldn't be making my own beer. But thankfully (after creating volumes of high alc% cats piss) I found this site and discovered that what is written on the small instruction sheet under the lid of the coopers can is complete shit and followed the great guides and help dotted around.

Kits have their place.

+1, I don't think I've even read the instructions. I'm cleaning up my kits n bits and partial brews and drinking my way through them over the holidays to make way for the AG Yorkshire bitters but, as I'm drinking them I'm impressed at how little you really need to do to a kit to get a drinkable beer.

Currently in fridge is a Coopers toucan stout plus a kilo of dex and a kilo of LDME. Gives Bottled Guinness a run for its money. Also drinking a crystal clear Coopers lager plus be2 plus some tettnang I wanted to get rid of. Nottingham yeast, gelatine finings, polyclar. A nice crisp clear beer that would probably sell at the pub if they put it on tap. There's another forum member popping round this arv so I'll ply him with a couple this afternoon and he can back me up on these if he wants to.

NO partials here, no special equipment required, just the knowledge (picked up mainly from this forum) of how to tweak a kit and make something 200% better than the plain old instructions would allow.

I think any 'blame' as to people making shyte home brew should be apportioned to the kit manufacturers rather than the LHBSs.

 

[staggalee]

+1, I don't think I've even read the instructions. I'm cleaning up my kits n bits and partial brews and drinking my way through them over the holidays to make way for the AG Yorkshire bitters but, as I'm drinking them I'm impressed at how little you really need to do to a kit to get a drinkable beer.

Currently in fridge is a Coopers toucan stout plus a kilo of dex and a kilo of LDME. Gives Bottled Guinness a run for its money. Also drinking a crystal clear Coopers lager plus be2 plus some tettnang I wanted to get rid of. Nottingham yeast, gelatine finings, polyclar. A nice crisp clear beer that would probably sell at the pub if they put it on tap. There's another forum member popping round this arv so I'll ply him with a couple this afternoon and he can back me up on these if he wants to.

NO partials here, no special equipment required, just the knowledge (picked up mainly from this forum) of how to tweak a kit and make something 200% better than the plain old instructions would allow.

I think any 'blame' as to people making shyte home brew should be apportioned to the kit manufacturers rather than the LHBSs.

That stout would have to be about 10% abv, wouldn`t it?
What did it finish at and how much did you prime with?

stagga.

 

[Bribie G]

That stout would have to be about 10% abv, wouldn`t it?
What did it finish at and how much did you prime with?

stagga.

I made it back in August in my pre hydrometer days so don't have that info. From Butters attenuation spreadsheet at the time I estimated about 1080 og, and probably fermented out fairly low as there wasn't a mini mash involved and nearly all fermentable goop and sugars. Also I used Nottingham (the rottweiler of yeasts) so it would have chewed through all the available fermentables.

I would guess it's about 8 percent. As usual I primed each 2 L PET with 3 CSR sugar cubes.

 

[boingk]

Pete. Still a kit lover.

Rock on, ditto here, and I'm on my 37th brew and 2nd year of brewing. I can't see giving away kits anytime soon.

If it wasn't for kits I wouldn't be making my own beer. I found this site and discovered *snip* [good brewing practise].

Kits have their place.

Hell yeah - I thought it out and ponied up the majestic sum of $88 in March last year and was back home that afternoon with a Tooheys starter kit and 30 Coopers bottles. The beer was scum, but I knew it was beer and knew I could do better. A trip to the LHBS started it all revving along nicely, and here I am.

I'm impressed at how little you really need to do to a kit to get a drinkable beer.

*stout recipe*

NO partials here, no special equipment required, just the knowledge (picked up mainly from this forum) of how to tweak a kit and make something 200% better than the plain old instructions would allow.

I think any 'blame' as to people making shyte home brew should be apportioned to the kit manufacturers rather than the LHBSs.

Smack, whizzz...KABOOM! Right on the money. Except for the partials...I always use a bit of grain now in my brews and I think the most I've used in one brew was 800g with three different grains. It definitely makes a difference and I only use a big pot I got from the $2 shop, filled with a bit of water and away I went. A smaller addition needs less water so a normal saucepan may suffice a lot of the time. Anyway, 'nough rambling from me on that point.

I think the blame shouldn't be pointed at the manufacturers...it should probably be at the public not questing for the info. I mean, if you don't want to know you dont ask, and don't find out right? Nothing gets served to us on a plate, and if it does you're more than likely paying for it in one way or another. Still, you're right, it doesn't help to have instructions along the line of 'Add contents of tin and 1kg sugar into fermenting vessel. Top with water to 23L. Add yeast. Consume.'

Also your stout sounds good, I've got one I bottled in July thats coming along well; the brew with the 800g of grain. I used 500g Crystal, 200g Choc and 100g Black Patent grains in it and it sure does shake it around a bit. Massive overkill on the choc and patent grains, but I like it. Sort of like having a Yammie R1 when all you do is ride to the office. Might be overkill, sure, but its still enjoyable! Have a shot at some grain sometime, its well worth it.

Cheers all - Keep those kits kranking along!

 

[Bribie G]

Also your stout sounds good, I've got one I bottled in July thats coming along well

Cheers all - Keep those kits kranking along!

:icon_drool2: :icon_drool2: :icon_drool2:

 

[matho]

so it looks like i am very lucky to have pat at absolute homebrew as my LHBS
i bought my homebrew kit from him and from the word go he has given good advice and encoraged me to try adding extra grains and hops. by the way his shop in the blue mountains is in faulconbridge and why would you want to leave the blue mountains when you can go to his shop on those sunday that he does demos, taste his great beer's and get a wealth of knowledge.

cheer's matho

 

[datman510]

i dont have anything to add but im sure i was the only person not to have added to this as yet...

 

[captaincleanoff]

Well, OK, you can shoot captaincleanoff if you're feeling trigger happy this weekend. Then we can go over to his place and pluner the estate of all his brewing gear

I know this thread is old.. but I only just read these comments towards me.

Have a whinge.

Pathetic you get so defensive and aggressive over a little comment.

 

[chappo1970]

I think the mods should renaim this thread to "the elitist biggots" thread

Good times, Good times!!

Pathetic you get so defensive and aggressive over a little comment.

Well done captain! I loved watching this thread! :super:

 

[petesbrew]

I know this thread is old.. but I only just read these comments towards me.

Have a whinge.

Pathetic you get so defensive and aggressive over a little comment.

Well, you did insult our much beloved kits... of course we're gonna get fired up! :beer: