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help[,i have a brew in kegs but it will not retain its head,will not gas properly and is very heavy (as in syrupy or more like a strong liquer as it slides down the glass,not umm slips as a beer should) now this is the 3rd time this has happened
i have done all the super clean processes,has this happened to anyone else.
iam running with 6 kegs and the last 2 brews have been dumped.
ccing for 4 weeks in a fridge,then gassing at 80kpa,for 4 days help! :angry: ...cheers in advance...spog..
 
ps apologies in advance if i do not reply immediately as i am about to duck out for a while,(the frantic silly season is kicking off)...cheers..again...spog....
 
Is the heaviness of the beer related to the gravity of the beer? Does it taste like a liqueur or just behave like it?

Is the cleaning of the glasses contributing to the behaviour?

Are you adding to the brews to help in head retention (ie wheat)?

Maybe try shaking the CO2 into the next brew to see if that makes a difference?
 
ant, the gravity was as expected, the brew just "behaves like a liqueur"
the glasses are clean,and i hav;nt added anything re head retention.
i have been racking my brain about this and have come to the conclusion that the prob must be in the kegs,as the brew is in good condition when it is transfered into the kegs.
well bugger it! tomorrow i am going to buy a pressure cleaner and turn the kegs inside out,replace all the seals,fill with boiling water,micro wave,nuke,napalm etc.
for brews to go as they have from fermenter to serving the prob has got to be the storage container (keg)
it cant be the beer lines as i am carefull with the cleaning /flushing of them.
i will get on top of this prob as now it has cost me 5x19 litres of brew since the problem started,and the xmas break/hot weather is coming fast. cheers...spog.... <_<
 
razz, no,i also keep bottled beer in the same fridge and none have frozen.the fridge is kept at a cold temp but not too low to freeze the contents.the prob has to be in the kegs,i have just sent an order to ross for some keg reco rings,to make up for the short fall i have at the moment.
i will replace them all and have a huge clean out and "detox" then try again.
having a huge failure/cock up like this is a real kick in the guts.but live and learn i guess...cheers...spog...
 
Evening Spog, Is there a chance that you may have accidentally frozen your kegs ?


That's an interesting thought - i guess that unless it was frozen solid all the way through, the top of the keg could freeze with ice (just water), leaving a more concentrated brew at the bottom waiting to be poured out the tap!

Is this a recommended approach to increasing the alcohol percentage of your beers? :p
 
Spog, I'm assuming that you've previously had success with kegging and that these latest "stuff ups" are really out of the ordinary?

What do you clean your kegs with after each brew? What about your lines?
 
benh,this infection has come out of the blue (the last 5 brews which were kegged) and i use keg and line cleaner as per the labels suggest's.
i have not done anything different since i started kegging nearly 12 months ago.
i guess i stuffed up somewhere along the line,but buggered if i nowhere/how.
i will start again from scratch and clean/sanatize everything and see what happens in the future.bloody frustrating to say the least,but live and learn..cheers...spog
 
Do you use finnings??? or perhaps something that could be settling out while chilling..



I used to clear in cubes with finnings but sometimes i would keg a bit early.(or go straight from fermenter to keg..i am very impatient sometimes :p )

I force carb. by shaking the keg under high pressure..but after several days of leaving these beers alone the next pour will be cloudy and pretty ordinary as far as beer goes..but 3-4 beers later all good.



Sqyre...
 
Sounds like partially frozen kegs to me. Also the suggestion of finings could be on the money.

The ability to freeze is a combination of the freezing point of that fluid, the pressure and the temperature.

If you had a tray of water, it would freeze, if you carbonate that water in a bottle with pressure, it will take a colder temperature to freeze. So with your kegged beer, it is at a higher pressure and some of it is turning to ice. The water bit slowly turns into an ice slurry at the top of the keg, leaving a more concentrated beer at the bottom which you are dispensing. It is syrupy, not carbonated and will not taste like the beer you expected. It will taste maltier, sweeter, hoppier, more alcoholic and more bitter. These flavour components may be in balance and you have a barley wine. If you opened the keg, you would see ice slushy on the top.

Your beer bottles are under pressure and freeze at a lower temperature than plain water. Get that fridge a little cooler and they will freeze too. So it is probably a warning that your fridge is too cold. Use one of the digital thermometers with a flying lead to measure external temperatures, put the probe on the lead in the fridge near the bottom and leave the display sitting on top of the fridge.

Yes, this is a way of making a stronger brew, freeze your beer to a slurry, allow the strong beer to strain out and collect it. There is some discussion on HBD about it, including that it does not oxidise. In Australia, we are not allowed to concentrate our alcohol by icing a beverage.
 
Hey Spog,

I'm probably not much help here, but just thought I'd let you know that I had a similar problem a while back. Brewed a bitter which went fine up till the point of serving it, and it would never get a head or carbonate. I'd initially just hooked up the CO2 line to it for a week or two to let it carbonate, but when that didn't work, I did the whole 'keg rocking' process to try and get some CO2 dissolved in it.

Anyway, long story short, I tried everything. Increased the fridge temp, increasing the CO2 pressure, swapping CO2 lines, all sorts of stuff. Nothing worked, so eventually it went down the sink.

So sorry, no magical answers here, but just wanted to let you know I've had the same problem once before. It never happened again, but then again I have quite a few kegs and I cycle through them quite often.
 
thanks for the input fella,s. i have pickup a few pointers/ideas only time will tell...cheers...spog..
 
So have you released the pressure, popped the lid and taken a look inside the keg yet?

Cheers,
TL
 
tl,nope but a good idea.cheers...spog..
 

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