Hops?

[lowzunyee]

I am getting a bit bored with brewing Kit n Kilo type brews & would like to venture into Malt extract brewing & hopefully into AG later on.

But what confuses me is this type of recipe for example:

2 x 1.5kg Coopers LME tins
500g Dextrose
15g Centennial @ 30 min
40g Amarillo @ 20 min
40g Amarillo @ 10 min
25g POR @ 0 mins

I understand LME & Dextrose, but what is it with the Hops & the time it represents.

Thanks for helping a learner like me with a probally basic question.

Cheers

 

[jbowers]

They want you to get a boil going.

Best bet would be to use maybe 8ish litres of water with one of the coopers tins in it. Add a coopers tin to maybe 7 or 8 litres of water, get her boiling vigorously. Then add the first hop addition and start a timer for 30 mins. When it gets down to 20, add the amarillo, and at 10, add the second half of the amarillo. That simple! At the end of the timer, shut off the stove, add the final hops, and also add the second tin and the dex. Let it rest for a little, maybe 10 minutes and then cool that sucker down in whatever manner you see fit!

 

[jbowers]

That being said - what style of beer is that? The hop bill looks really odd. Delicious citrus/fruity american hops mixed with POR, for flavour/aroma none the less. Weird.

 

[manticle]

Just expanding on what jbowers has said - the time represents the amount of time left for the boil.

Say a boil is 60 minutes long. Bring wort to the boil, add the additions for '@60', boil for 40 minutes and add the additions for @20.

etc etc.

 

[kelbygreen]

Yes at said they are the hop amounts with the time remaining to be added. I have read that use 100 grams of DME to 1lt of water to the boil will give you about 1.040 gravity but not sure how much LME you need to add to get that gravity

 

[jbowers]

Also, it'd be good to know if the recipe calls for you to add both cans at once. If it were me, I would add only one can. This is because it leads to better hop utilisation (more bitterness for your buck!). If the recipe was formulated with adding both cans to the boil however, then you should do that or you will end up with something more hoppy than the recipe intended.

If you want me to go in to why this is so, I can do so at a relatively basic level before linking you to the words of someone more learned on the topic than myself.

 

[jbowers]

Get a trial version of beersmith - just google it. It will help you a whole lot with conversions etc.

 

[bum]

lowzunyee, it may pay to disregard some of the above (ah, but which posts?!).

You don't need Beersmith now. Once you get the hang of basic recipe format/ingredients then you should start playing with it if you want - right now it'll just add more confusion.

Also, just banging in a can and boiling in some random amount of water won't yield best results. The suggested 1040 gravity for the boil is generally considered to be a good starting point and you could do much worse (for instance, you could put 2 tins of LME in 8l of water).

[EDIT: habit based typo]

 

[jbowers]

Alright so for one of those tins of LME, to get 1.040 you would need 11 litres of water. If you have a pot big enough to do that, awesome.

 

[kelbygreen]

ok so that is about 135grams (136.3 to be exact) per 1lt of water is that correct?? so for a 5lt boil it would be say 700g be rough estimate (or just under half a can).

Just handy to know as I have only worked it out with DME.

sorry for kinda hijacking the thread (well not totally as it is relivent I think)

 

[HoppingMad]

Another pointer is the hops you add first to your boil (30 mins) tend to add bitterness, the ones in the middle (20/15mins) add flavour and the ones at 10, 5 or 0 minutes add aroma.

That said, the recipe you've put in the opening post I'm assuming is made up as a sample yeah? Pride of Ringwood doesn't tend to be thrown in at the end of the boil as an aroma hop but rather at the start as a bittering addition (ie. 30 minutes) in many beers. Not that there's a hard and fast rule on this, but the placement of POR seems a tad odd on this one. You don't see it listed as an aroma hop all that often.

Hopper.

 

[lowzunyee]

Thanks guys for all your help, thats what I love about this forum, you can ask a dumb question & everyone wants to help. The comradery here is great.
As for the recipe, just ignore it. I made it up to make my point. Sorry for the confusion.
See ya guys for my next stupid question.

Cheers