Home made no rinse sanatizer.

[Ducatiboy stu]

I am Arthur, King of the Bwittans

 

[manticle]

King a' the 'oo?

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Arthur: Well we all are! We are all Britons! And I am your king.
Woman: I didn't know we 'ad a king! I thought we were autonomous collective.
Man: (mad) You're fooling yourself! We're living in a dictatorship! A
self-perpetuating autocracy in which the working classes--
Woman: There you go, bringing class into it again...
Man: That's what it's all about! If only people would--
Arthur: Please, *please*, good people, I am in haste! WHO lives in that
castle?
Woman: No one lives there.

 

[Mardoo]

And the topic fled in disgrace...chuckling to itself.

Stu, at what sort of establishment does one engage in witty repartee to obtain dairy sanitiser? 20 litres? I'll sanitise myself!

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Rural supply stores

http://www.norco.com.au/rural/

 

[real_beer]

Sulphur candles.

The Roman's used to use 'Roman Candles' which were later used as a great entertainment feature in 20th Century England on Bonfire night. They were a great crowd pleaser leading up to chucking Guy Fawkes on the pyre and setting him alight. Ahhhhhh! wonderful memories indeed.

Disclaimer:
I haven't any proof that the Romans actually used 'Roman Candles too sterilise stuff, but it seems a reasonable conclusion to make inside my little brain. :beerbang:

 

[Mardoo]

Holy crap. A lifetime of cleaner and sanitiser for $165.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Holy crap. A lifetime of cleaner and sanitiser for $165.

$6.60/Lt v $48/Lt for Star-San ( from Craftbrewer )

 

[Fents]

Holy crap. A lifetime of cleaner and sanitiser for $165.

get yob involved and it will be cheaper again. he's a man who knows how to get 'stuff'

 

[Grott]

"$6.60/Lt v $48/Lt for Star-San ( from Craftbrewer )​"

A few things to note I think. 1 litre of starsan make 667 litres and it is re-usable! many many times. You know it works, you can test it easily (eg litmus paper), its tasteless, can be used dry or wet. Also I can buy a small size which lasts for ages without a huge outlay.

For me ll stick with easy as starsan.
Cheers

 

[Mardoo]

Contact time is another difference. 10 to 30 minutes for the dairy one. Not a huge issue for me.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Contact time is another difference. 10 to 30 minutes for the dairy one. Not a huge issue for me.

A dairy is a lot dirtier than relatively clean brewing gear.

Most dairies I have been to are pretty dirty places, hence the longer contact time

 

[sp0rk]

$6.60/Lt v $48/Lt for Star-San ( from Craftbrewer )

Brewmasters Bulk Buy in the wings?

"$6.60/Lt v $48/Lt for Star-San ( from Craftbrewer )​"

A few things to note I think. 1 litre of starsan make 667 litres and it is re-usable! many many times. You know it works, you can test it easily (eg litmus paper), its tasteless, can be used dry or wet. Also I can buy a small size which lasts for ages without a huge outlay.

For me ll stick with easy as starsan.
Cheers

PTSAN 5 is apparently good at 2ml per litre of water, which on our scale is that close to Starsan's dilution rate that it doesn't matter

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

"$6.60/Lt v $48/Lt for Star-San ( from Craftbrewer )​"

A few things to note I think. 1 litre of starsan make 667 litres and it is re-usable! many many times. You know it works, you can test it easily (eg litmus paper), its tasteless, can be used dry or wet. Also I can buy a small size which lasts for ages without a huge outlay.

For me ll stick with easy as starsan.
Cheers

The dairy stuff also needs to be diluted and is re-usable in some cases

Just because Star-San works doesnt mean others wont

Bit like saying "I only use dried S-04 cause I know it works, dont want to use those other yeast"

 

[Grott]

"Just because Star-San works doesnt mean others wont

Bit like saying "I only use dried S-04 cause I know it works, dont want to use those other yeast""


I'm not saying that, "a few things to note...."

I also use a product called GEMGUARD" that's used in the meat, brewery and other food processing industries. It is not for use where beer can contact but excellent for external equipment cleaning. (tops for kitchen use as well)
Cheers
​

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Well obviously you use a product that is suitable.....

I am just saying that Star-San is not THE only suitable sanitiser

 

[Dave70]

Holy crap. A lifetime of cleaner and sanitiser for $165.

Thats what I'm talking about!

Plus I can be really wasteful and not give a ****.

 

[Grott]

Have attached technical data sheet for PTSAN 5 for interest. The company advised that diluted contact with beer is ok, can not be reused and is to be made up as required. Another sanitiser alternative.
Cheers

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View attachment T.D PTSAN 5_2pp_2014.pdf

 

[Batz]

I have used a dairy sanitizer for over 10 years, I use this:

http://www.daviesway.com.au/all-products/eliminate.aspx?lv.crumb=73678

It's phos. acid.
I used to buy a 20lt container and split it up with several other brewers, the last time (must be 4 years ago, or so) I just kept it myself. I have been using it and never reusing, I can't even tell if any has been used from the 20lt as yet. It'll see my life out.
It is used @ 2ml per 1lt. 20lt container is around $200.00 from memory.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Changing sanitizing chemicals regularly is never a bad thing.

And the old saying goes that if it isnt clean then you will never get it sanitized properly

 

[booargy]

I make my own with sugar water and yeast

 

[manticle]

You make your own sanitiser with wort?

 

[booargy]

Ethanol diluted to 70% with distilled water you can even drink what you don't use

 

[manticle]

Ah I see.

Discussion of etc etc not condoned nor mumble, mumble.

 

[Dave70]

Changing sanitizing chemicals regularly is never a bad thing.

And the old saying goes that if it isnt clean then you will never get it sanitized properly

Old saying:

Deuteronomy 23:1
He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

Really? really?

Id rather do that piss and coke thing.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Well coke is phos acid and a bit of sugar

 

[real_beer]

Well coke is phos acid and a bit of sugar

Unless he means the coke you cut with a credit card and sniff with a straw? It would look strange going into a toilet with a glass or can of coke to piss in. However I think its normal practice to cut up coke and sniff it off the toilet seat lid, modern movies seem to bear witness to this.

As a home made sanitiser though?
One of the products is very very cheap (depending on what you've been drinking of course) and the other very expensive, and both of them would vary wildly with chemical consistency thus making them worthless to even consider for a moment as a viable option. And I must point out that I haven't even touched on the filthy public hygiene environment you'd be faced with during the manufacturing process! And what if the person contributing the urine was a real root rat? Even daily STD tests couldn't guarantee an acceptable product!

In summation it's just not worth even considering, it's too expensive, has poor product consistency and life threatening manufacturing facilities, also arrest by law enforcement officers is a real, real, real threat throughout the whole process!

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Is coke no rinse ?

I am hoping so. Certainly would make beer more interesting

 

[Batz]

Changing sanitizing chemicals regularly is never a bad thing.

And the old saying goes that if it isnt clean then you will never get it sanitized properly

 

[Tex N Oz]

I don't understand why everyone has moved away from iodophor and over to these acid sanitisers.
Great marketing I guess?