Black Ipa Recipe Help Needed (feral Karma Citra)

[BreathingHeat]

I have some friends coming in town from overseas and would like to have a batch of Black IPA ready for their visit. Earlier this week I tried the Feral Karma Citra (Black IPA) at the Local Taphouse and was completely floored. It was by far the best Black IPA I had ever had. I would go as far to say that it was one of the most interesting beers I have ever tried. The hop flavor was incredibly pure and citrusy without being bitter. The finish was like sucking on a fresh piece of toffee. Incredibly dynamic.

Anyway, I would really appreciate some help with an all grain recipe. Has anyone made a Black IPA they really liked? Obviously Citra is the featured hop in Karma Citra, but I'm clueless on the grain bill. Any help would be greatly appreciated, Karma Citra or just Black IPA (IBA) in general.

Grain bill?
Yeast?
Fermentation time/temp?
Dry hopping?

Thanks!

 

[KillerRx4]

A bit bigger than Karma Citra, knock back the OG & its pretty close to bang on for me.


Recipe: #212 Big Bang Black IPA
Brewer: Sunny
Asst Brewer:
Style: American IPA
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (0.0)

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Batch Size: 25.00 L
Boil Size: 35.60 L
Estimated OG: 1.074 SG
Estimated Color: 61.8 EBC
Estimated IBU: 73.6 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 69.00 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
------------
Amount Item Type % or IBU
6.00 kg Pilsner, Malt Craft Export (Joe White) (3.Grain 71.86 %
0.50 kg Rye Malt (Weyermann) (5.9 EBC) Grain 5.99 %
0.50 kg Wheat Malt (Barrett Burston) (3.0 EBC) Grain 5.99 %
0.35 kg Crystal, Medium (Simpsons) (150.0 EBC) Grain 4.19 %
0.25 kg Carafa Special I (Weyermann) (900.0 EBC) Grain 2.99 %
0.25 kg Chocolate Malt (Joe White) (800.0 EBC) Grain 2.99 %
30.00 gm Galaxy [13.70 %] (60 min) Hops 45.9 IBU
50.00 gm Citra [11.10 %] (Dry Hop 3 days) Hops -
50.00 gm Citra [11.10 %] (10 min) Hops 12.4 IBU
50.00 gm Galaxy [13.70 %] (10 min) Hops 15.3 IBU
1.00 gm Yeastlife extra Nutrient (Boil 10.0 min) Misc
2.00 gm Chalk (Boil 60.0 min) Misc
5.00 gm Polyclar BrewBrite (Boil 10.0 min) Misc
8.00 gm Epsom Salt (MgSO4) (Boil 60.0 min) Misc
8.00 gm Epsom Salt (MgSO4) (Boil 60.0 min) Misc
0.50 kg Sugar, Table (Sucrose) (2.0 EBC) Sugar 5.99 %
1 Pkgs American Ale II (Wyeast Labs #1272) Yeast-Ale


Mash Schedule: My Mash
Total Grain Weight: 7.85 kg
----------------------------
My Mash
Step Time Name Description Step Temp
90 min Step Add 23.55 L of water at 73.2 C 66.0 C


Notes:
------
Sugar added towards end fermentation.
10 min hop at end of whirlpool

 

[argon]

Here's one I have on at the moment. Really enjoying the aroma and good whack if bitterness.
Tasting notes

BeerSmith Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: Black Diamond IPA
Brewer: Argon
Asst Brewer:
Style: American Style India Black Ale
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (35.0)

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Batch Size: 38.00 L
Boil Size: 45.39 L
Estimated OG: 1.067 SG
Estimated Color: 53.0 EBC
Estimated IBU: 57.4 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.00 %
Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Ingredients:
------------
Amount Item Type % or IBU
9.00 kg Ale Malt (Barrett Burston) (6.0 EBC) Grain 71.44 %
2.20 kg Munich II Malt (Weyermann) (22.5 EBC) Grain 17.46 %
0.35 kg Carafa Special T3 Malt (Weyermann) (1400Grain 2.78 %
0.35 kg Aromatic Malt - (Dingemans) (37.0 EBC) Grain 2.77 %
0.35 kg Carapils Malt (Weyermann) (4.0 EBC) Grain 2.77 %
0.35 kg Wheat Malt (Barrett Burston) (3.0 EBC) Grain 2.77 %

20.00 gm Cascade [5.00 %] (60 min) Hops 5.5 IBU
40.00 gm Centennial [9.90 %] (60 min) Hops 21.8 IBU
20.00 gm Cascade [5.00 %] (30 min) Hops 4.2 IBU
30.00 gm Centennial [9.90 %] (30 min) Hops 12.6 IBU
25.00 gm Centennial [9.90 %] (15 min) Hops 6.8 IBU
20.00 gm Cascade [5.00 %] (15 min) Hops 2.7 IBU
25.00 gm Centennial [9.90 %] (5 min) Hops 2.7 IBU
20.00 gm Cascade [5.00 %] (5 min) Hops 1.1 IBU
10.00 gm Cascade [5.00 %] (Dry Hop 3 days) Hops -
30.00 gm Centennial [9.90 %] (Dry Hop 3 days) Hops -

1.65 tsp Salt (Mash 60.0 min) Misc
8.26 gm Gypsum (Calcium Sulfate) (Mash 60.0 min) Misc
16.00 gm PH 5.2 Stabilizer (Mash 60.0 min) Misc
2 Pkgs American Ale (Wyeast Labs #1056) [Starter Yeast-Ale


Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body
Total Grain Weight: 12.60 kg
----------------------------
Single Infusion, Medium Body
Step Time Name Description Step Temp
90 min Mash In Add 37.80 L of water at 72.7 C 66.0 C
10 min Mash Out Heat to 75.6 C over 2 min 75.6 C

 

[BreathingHeat]

A bit bigger than Karma Citra, knock back the OG & its pretty close to bang on for me.


Recipe: #212 Big Bang Black IPA
Brewer: Sunny
Asst Brewer:
Style: American IPA
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (0.0)

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Batch Size: 25.00 L
Boil Size: 35.60 L
Estimated OG: 1.074 SG
Estimated Color: 61.8 EBC
Estimated IBU: 73.6 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 69.00 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
------------
Amount Item Type % or IBU
6.00 kg Pilsner, Malt Craft Export (Joe White) (3.Grain 71.86 %
0.50 kg Rye Malt (Weyermann) (5.9 EBC) Grain 5.99 %
0.50 kg Wheat Malt (Barrett Burston) (3.0 EBC) Grain 5.99 %
0.35 kg Crystal, Medium (Simpsons) (150.0 EBC) Grain 4.19 %
0.25 kg Carafa Special I (Weyermann) (900.0 EBC) Grain 2.99 %
0.25 kg Chocolate Malt (Joe White) (800.0 EBC) Grain 2.99 %
30.00 gm Galaxy [13.70 %] (60 min) Hops 45.9 IBU
50.00 gm Citra [11.10 %] (Dry Hop 3 days) Hops -
50.00 gm Citra [11.10 %] (10 min) Hops 12.4 IBU
50.00 gm Galaxy [13.70 %] (10 min) Hops 15.3 IBU
1.00 gm Yeastlife extra Nutrient (Boil 10.0 min) Misc
2.00 gm Chalk (Boil 60.0 min) Misc
5.00 gm Polyclar BrewBrite (Boil 10.0 min) Misc
8.00 gm Epsom Salt (MgSO4) (Boil 60.0 min) Misc
8.00 gm Epsom Salt (MgSO4) (Boil 60.0 min) Misc
0.50 kg Sugar, Table (Sucrose) (2.0 EBC) Sugar 5.99 %
1 Pkgs American Ale II (Wyeast Labs #1272) Yeast-Ale


Mash Schedule: My Mash
Total Grain Weight: 7.85 kg
----------------------------
My Mash
Step Time Name Description Step Temp
90 min Step Add 23.55 L of water at 73.2 C 66.0 C


Notes:
------
Sugar added towards end fermentation.
10 min hop at end of whirlpool

Wow, this looks wonderful. Just what I'm looking for. A few questions, if I want to lower the OG by about 10 points, what would my best method be? Also, what is your fermentation schedule/temp(s) and what 3 days do you dry hop during? Thank you!

 

[WarmBeer]

Here's one I brewed previously.

Did pretty well at a BrewShare in St Kilda last year:

BeerSmith Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com

Recipe: Zulu Sioux II - Cascadian Dark Ale
Brewer: Brett
Asst Brewer:
Style: American IPA
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (35.0)

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Batch Size: 22.00 L
Boil Size: 28.73 L
Estimated OG: 1.056 SG
Estimated Color: 30.5 EBC
Estimated IBU: 56.2 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 70.00 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
------------
Amount Item Type % or IBU
4.80 kg Pale Malt, Traditional Ale (Joe White) (5.Grain 86.18 %
0.40 kg Caramalt - Lt Crystal (Joe White) (49.3 EBGrain 7.18 %
0.25 kg Biscuit Malt (45.3 EBC) Grain 4.49 %
0.12 kg Carafa Special II (Weyermann) (817.6 EBC) Grain 2.15 %
14.00 gm Centennial [9.70 %] (Dry Hop 4 days) Hops -
14.00 gm Cascade [7.80 %] (Dry Hop 4 days) Hops -
32.00 gm Chinook [11.40 %] (60 min) Hops 49.6 IBU
14.00 gm Cascade [7.80 %] (10 min) Hops 3.0 IBU
14.00 gm Centennial [9.70 %] (10 min) Hops 3.7 IBU
14.00 gm Cascade [7.80 %] (0 min) Hops -
14.00 gm Centennial [9.70 %] (0 min) Hops -
0.50 items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 10.0 min) Misc
2.00 tsp Gypsum (Calcium Sulfate) (Mash 60.0 min) Misc
1 Pkgs SafAle American Ale (DCL Yeast #US-05) Yeast-Ale


Mash Schedule: Brett's Single Infusion, Medium Body, Double Sparge
Total Grain Weight: 5.57 kg
----------------------------
Brett's Single Infusion, Medium Body, Double Sparge
Step Time Name Description Step Temp
60 min Mash In Add 16.71 L of water at 71.6 C 66.0 C


Notes:
------
Carafa Spec II into mash tun in last 15 mins of mash to reduce astringency.
10 min hops are @ whirlpool
0 min hops are cube hopped

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[sirhendo]

Wow, this looks wonderful. Just what I'm looking for. A few questions, if I want to lower the OG by about 10 points, what would my best method be? Also, what is your fermentation schedule/temp(s) and what 3 days do you dry hop during? Thank you!

Take out the sugar I reckon....I'd probably drop the Chocolate malt too IMHO.

Sounds like a yummy recipe though :icon_cheers:

Hendo

 

[Cortez The Killer]

I had the following on at the last IBU Beer Fest - it meet with many positive comments

The nothern brewer and northdown were only used to make up the bittering units

Cheers

84) Dangerous Kitchen Black IPA
Brewing Date: Saturday January 1, 2011

Batch Size (L): 19.00 Wort Size (L): 19.00
Total Grain (Kg): 4.65
Anticipated OG: 1.058 Plato: 14.20
Anticipated SRM: 26.7
Anticipated IBU: 57.9
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75 %
Wort Boil Time: 75 Minutes
Mash Temp: 67.5

Grain/Extract/Sugar
% Amount Name Origin Extract SRM
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
5.4 0.25 kg. Weyermann - Carafa Special III Germany 1.003 470
2.2 0.10 kg. Crystal 75L Great Britian 1.001 75
2.2 0.10 kg. Weyermann - Caraaroma Germany 1.001 178
45.2 2.10 kg. Weyermann - Premium Pils Germany 1.026 2
45.2 2.10 kg. JW Traditional Ale Australia 1.026 3

Hops
Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
25.00 g. Northern Brewer Pellet 5.37 22.4 60 min.
20.00 g. Northdown Pellet 7.76 25.8 60 min.
15.00 g. Centennial Pellet 7.72 5.1 15 min.
15.00 g. Cascade Pellet 6.76 4.5 15 min.
15.00 g. Centennial Pellet 7.72 0.0 0 min.
15.00 g. Cascade Pellet 6.76 0.0 0 min.

Yeast
-----
US-05

 

[KillerRx4]

Wow, this looks wonderful. Just what I'm looking for. A few questions, if I want to lower the OG by about 10 points, what would my best method be? Also, what is your fermentation schedule/temp(s) and what 3 days do you dry hop during? Thank you!

Yeah, I'd drop the sugar. Post boil SG was 1.066 (sugar was added later during ferment).
Choc & Carafa were added after sacc rest, just before recirc & lauter/sparge. Keep the Choc IMO.

Fermented @ 18C until terminal gravity, racked onto dry hops @ ambient 25-30C for 3 days then chill -1C for a couple of days.
Filtered & kegged.

Lab analysed @ FG 1009.1 pH4.2 8.85% ABV 51.3 IBU 71.75 EBC

Looking at my notes, the Beersmith file has a couple of things wrong/different to brewday.
One of the 8gm MgS04 additions is actually CaS04 (gypsum)
Brewbrite addition was changed to whirlfloc
Dry hops were 12g Galaxy, 38g Citra.

 

[BreathingHeat]

Alright guys, I'm finally brewing my Black IPA this Sunday (BIAB). Anyone see any glaring errors in my recipe? Suggestions appreciated.

Black IPA

Recipe

Batch Size: 25 L
Boil Size: 35 L
Estimated OG: 1.074 SG
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:

6.00 kg Pilsner 71.86 %
0.50 kg Rye Malt 5.99 %
0.50 kg Wheat Malt 5.99 %
0.25 kg Crystal, Medium 2.99 %
0.25 kg Carafa Special I 2.99 % (10 minutes to go)
0.25 kg Chocolate Malt 2.99 % (10 minutes to go)

90 minute step mash
Strike temp 55 - 30 minutes rest
up to 65 for 60 minutes
Carafa and Chocolate with 10 minutes to go
Mash out at 77 degrees

Boil

28 g Galaxy (60 min)
28 g Cascade (60 min)

8 g Gypsum (60 min)
2 g Chalk (60 min)

56 g Citra [11.10 %] (10 min)
56 g Galaxy [13.70 %] (10 min)

5 g Polyclar BrewBrite (10 min)
1 g Yeastlife extra Nutrient (10 min)
Whirlfloc tab (10 min)

1 Pack American Ale I (Wyeast Labs #1056) Yeast-Ale

28 g Cascade Dry Hop 7-14
28 g Galaxy Dry Hop 7-14

 

[Dez.]

Alright guys, I'm finally brewing my Black IPA this Sunday (BIAB). Anyone see any glaring errors in my recipe? Suggestions appreciated.

Black IPA

Recipe

Batch Size: 25 L
Boil Size: 35 L
Estimated OG: 1.074 SG
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:

6.00 kg Pilsner 71.86 %
0.50 kg Rye Malt 5.99 %
0.50 kg Wheat Malt 5.99 %
0.25 kg Crystal, Medium 2.99 %
0.25 kg Carafa Special I 2.99 % (10 minutes to go)
0.25 kg Chocolate Malt 2.99 % (10 minutes to go)

90 minute step mash
Strike temp 55 - 30 minutes rest
up to 65 for 60 minutes
Carafa and Chocolate with 10 minutes to go
Mash out at 77 degrees

Boil

28 g Galaxy (60 min)
28 g Cascade (60 min)

8 g Gypsum (60 min)
2 g Chalk (60 min)

56 g Citra [11.10 %] (10 min)
56 g Galaxy [13.70 %] (10 min)

5 g Polyclar BrewBrite (10 min)
1 g Yeastlife extra Nutrient (10 min)
Whirlfloc tab (10 min)

1 Pack American Ale I (Wyeast Labs #1056) Yeast-Ale

28 g Cascade Dry Hop 7-14
28 g Galaxy Dry Hop 7-14

G'day, how'd this beer turn out. Anything you would add or change? Similar to Karma citra?
Tried it the other day off tap filtered through Cascade hops on the bar, absoloutly spectacular. Keen on makin something similar.
Cheers, Dez

 

[BreathingHeat]

G'day, how'd this beer turn out. Anything you would add or change? Similar to Karma citra?
Tried it the other day off tap filtered through Cascade hops on the bar, absoloutly spectacular. Keen on makin something similar.
Cheers, Dez

Hi Dez, happy IPA day! This beer turned out wonderfully. It's possibly the only batch I've brewed where I wouldn't change a thing. Here is the actual brewed recipe (following this). There were a few changes. We ended up dry hopping with an extra 24 grams of Citra at the very end (key). This definitely gave the beer the "je ne sais quoi" we were looking for. I would not add any more than 24 grams though. This beer is similar to Karma Citra, but clearly has it's own identity.

"Blackie" IPA

Recipe

Batch Size: 24 L
Boil Size: 35 L (BIAB)
OG: 1.070
FG: 1.015
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:

6.00 kg Pilsner 77.4%
0.50 kg Rye Malt 6.3%
0.50 kg Wheat Malt 6.3%
0.25 kg Crystal, Medium 3.3%

0.25 kg Carafa Special I 3.3% (10 minutes to go)
0.25 kg Chocolate Malt 3.3% (10 minutes to go)

90 minute step mash 66 (152)
Strike temp 55 (130)- 30 minutes rest
up to 65-66 for 60 minutes
Mash out at 77 degrees

Boil

28 g Galaxy Flowers [13.4%] (60 min)
28 g Cascade Flowers [7.6%] (60 min)

8 g Gypsum (60 min)
2 g Chalk (60 min)

56 g Citra Pellets [11.1%] (10 min)
72 g Galaxy Flowers [13.7%] (10 min)

1 g Yeastlife extra Nutrient (10 min)
1/2 Whirlfloc tab (10 min)

1 Pkg American Ale I (Wyeast Labs #1056)

72 g Cascade Flowers Dry Hop 14-21 (April 3rd - pulled on April 10)
24 g Citra Pellets Dry Hop 21-28 (April 10th)

Just a gorgeous beer. Extremely flavourful, well balanced, perfect color. We are about to brew it again. Please let me know if you have any questions.

 

[Dez.]

Wow, that sounds like alot of hops, but I suppose thats what would give it its character. What is the pupose of the gypsum and chalk? Is it the same as the bag of gypsum in my garden shed? What kind of chalk is it?
Cheers, Dez

 

[drsmurto]

2.00 gm Chalk (Boil 60.0 min) Misc
5.00 gm Polyclar BrewBrite (Boil 10.0 min) Misc
8.00 gm Epsom Salt (MgSO4) (Boil 60.0 min) Misc
8.00 gm Epsom Salt (MgSO4) (Boil 60.0 min) Misc

Is that a typo? Did you mean CaSO4?

That much magnesium in a beer would give you the runs.

 

[felten]

That much magnesium in a beer would give you the runs.

Must be bad karma then

 

[KillerRx4]

Looking at my notes, the Beersmith file has a couple of things wrong/different to brewday.
One of the 8gm MgS04 additions is actually CaS04 (gypsum)
Brewbrite addition was changed to whirlfloc
Dry hops were 12g Galaxy, 38g Citra.

 

[BreathingHeat]

Hi Dez, did you decide to brew it??

 

[Dez.]

Yeah definately keen to brew it just waiting to get enought time off work, probably next week.
Been doin my homework on water chemistry in the mean time to clarify the need for gypsum and chalk. Home brewing is one of those things where the more learn the more you find out you need to learn.
Cheers, Dez

 

[domix]

Just a heads up if anyone is keen, they will have this on tap at Biero in Melb this Friday (no affiliation, just a very happy customer)
along with many other great beers

 

[bullsneck]

A bit bigger than Karma Citra, knock back the OG & its pretty close to bang on for me.


Recipe: #212 Big Bang Black IPA
Brewer: Sunny
Asst Brewer:
Style: American IPA
TYPE: All Grain
Taste: (0.0)

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Batch Size: 25.00 L
Boil Size: 35.60 L
Estimated OG: 1.074 SG
Estimated Color: 61.8 EBC
Estimated IBU: 73.6 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 69.00 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
------------
Amount Item Type % or IBU
6.00 kg Pilsner, Malt Craft Export (Joe White) (3.Grain 71.86 %
0.50 kg Rye Malt (Weyermann) (5.9 EBC) Grain 5.99 %
0.50 kg Wheat Malt (Barrett Burston) (3.0 EBC) Grain 5.99 %
0.35 kg Crystal, Medium (Simpsons) (150.0 EBC) Grain 4.19 %
0.25 kg Carafa Special I (Weyermann) (900.0 EBC) Grain 2.99 %
0.25 kg Chocolate Malt (Joe White) (800.0 EBC) Grain 2.99 %
30.00 gm Galaxy [13.70 %] (60 min) Hops 45.9 IBU
50.00 gm Citra [11.10 %] (Dry Hop 3 days) Hops -
50.00 gm Citra [11.10 %] (10 min) Hops 12.4 IBU
50.00 gm Galaxy [13.70 %] (10 min) Hops 15.3 IBU
1.00 gm Yeastlife extra Nutrient (Boil 10.0 min) Misc
2.00 gm Chalk (Boil 60.0 min) Misc
5.00 gm Polyclar BrewBrite (Boil 10.0 min) Misc
8.00 gm Epsom Salt (MgSO4) (Boil 60.0 min) Misc
8.00 gm Epsom Salt (MgSO4) (Boil 60.0 min) Misc
0.50 kg Sugar, Table (Sucrose) (2.0 EBC) Sugar 5.99 %
1 Pkgs American Ale II (Wyeast Labs #1272) Yeast-Ale


Mash Schedule: My Mash
Total Grain Weight: 7.85 kg
----------------------------
My Mash
Step Time Name Description Step Temp
90 min Step Add 23.55 L of water at 73.2 C 66.0 C


Notes:
------
Sugar added towards end fermentation.
10 min hop at end of whirlpool

This may be OT...

Using this recipe as inspiration for a Black EIPA. Subbing Rye for Biscuit and the C Hops for EKG and Challenger. OG and IBUs are staying true to the recipe, however. Yeast will be split, 12L on 1469 and 12L on US-05 to see which gives a better result.

I will ensure I post feedback on this recipe.

 

[sim]

This may be OT...

Using this recipe as inspiration for a Black EIPA. Subbing Rye for Biscuit and the C Hops for EKG and Challenger. OG and IBUs are staying true to the recipe, however. Yeast will be split, 12L on 1469 and 12L on US-05 to see which gives a better result.

I will ensure I post feedback on this recipe.

Did you brew it bullsneck? im going to smack out a dark english IPA, right after i do a regular one! will most likely split the batch to compare burton/california yeast style.


sim