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Rice has another benefit - it clears the beer. No idea why, but whenever I use rice as an adjunct the beer is much clearer than those without. (I use no clarifying additions)

For me, it gives a very distinctive flavour of vanilla creamed rice. If it excentuates the hops I haven't noticed - but I err on the knowledge base here.

I'm leaning towards always having at least 10% rice in my beers.

EDIT: I've found it's best if you boil the crap outa a kg, drain it and leave it in the fridge. Next day you have the fried rice and the beer sorted.

OT but the best fried rice in my opinion comes from frying the rice first (in oil for a few minutes till it starts to turn opaque), then boiling. It's a standard with risotto rice and I believe some Italian cooking techniques were inspired by those in China.
 
OOps this thread got buried... :p

The German Reinheitsgebot dictated that beer should be made only from malt, hops, water and many German beers are of course great. However go anywhere else in the world and most beers are made with adjuncts - pop across the German Border to Switzerland, Austria, France and the Netherlands and there are great beers made with adjuncts.

Grain Adjuncts: Heavily used in US beers, not necessarily as a cost saver. American Six row barley produced cloudy beers, being high in nitrogen, and the use of corn and rice adjuncts enabled the production of clear lagers towards the end of the 19th century - the corn and rice can 'soak up' the extra enzymes and proteins during mashing. Classic American Pilseners as brewed before Prohibition and now being rediscovered are a lovely beer, often with a fair whack of maize. Apparently since the rice crisis, it now costs the likes of Budweiser more to use rice than malt, but try changing the recipe and see how the public would react.

In the UK in the 19th century the use of artificial fertilizers created bumper crops of barley but, again, high protein - and brewers were getting persistent hazes, so breweries started using grain adjuncts as well. This is not an issue nowadays because low protein barleys have been developed, but some adjuncts are still used, and particularly sugar.

Sugar: In the Uk many beers are made with a proportion of sugar, and have been since grain rationing around the time of WW1. UK bitters and milds have a 'character' in which sugar plays a part. Similarly in Australia mainstream beers have been brewed with a large amount of sugar to thin the body and produce an easy quaffing lager suited to a hot climate.

So if you are brewing a favourite beer you have had overseas or looking to produce a more gutsy version of a favourite Australian beer then you need to have a look at how it's made and take that into account. So if I'm aiming for a clean drinking Australian Classic I'll probably add a few more hops, but certainly use some sugars, and also some rice to give a polished clarity and finish.

Some of the most appalling Aussie beers are all malt. An example of this is the new VB raw. Try it and see for yourself. The point I'm making is that chanting a mantra of "malt, hops, water, yeast" is putting your brewing in a strait jacket. Apart from the Reinheitsgebot there's nothing to say that you can't put whatever you like into a brew :icon_cheers: The Reinheitsgebot, anyway, was apparently " introduced in part to prevent price competition with bakers for wheat and rye. The restriction of grains to barley was meant to ensure the availability of sufficient amounts of affordable bread, as the more valuable wheat and rye were reserved for use by bakers. Today many Bavarian beers are again brewed using wheat and are thus no longer compliant with the Reinheitsgebot. "


Well said, but honestly, the traditional lagers of pilzen or bohemia would not have been brewed with rice, corn or sugar....
 
And the traditional lagers of plzen etc are tops. They are however not the only tops beers in the world so restricting yourself to just that purely because they did seems a bit......................well......

....restrictive.

Loads of amazing beers are brewed with sugar, wild yeasts or adjuncts. Loads of shit ones are brewed only with malted barley.
 
Well said, but honestly, the traditional lagers of pilzen or bohemia would not have been brewed with rice, corn or sugar....

I've brewed a couple of Bohemian Pilseners and of course I would not dream of putting sugar in them. On the other hand when I do a Carlton style Aussie Standard Lager I wouldn't dream of not putting sugar in it :icon_cheers:
Of course I could do an Aussie Style with all malt and it would probably turn out like an Aussie boutique micro style a-la-Bondi or Bluetongue but that's not really what I'm after, rather an easy drinking house beer / quaffing drop / lawnmower.
 
Thanks, read the recipe from fourstar and doubled the carapils, keeping the kg of rice.
This means I will end up with 0.2 - 0.3 kg of dextrose.

Can't really decide on the hops either..
Definitely Pride of Ringwood at @60 min for bittering, but POR for flavor @20 as well?

Going for as BribieG calls it the standard Aussie carlton kind of beer, not a really interesting, hoppy something or other ;)

Options from the fridge are
-POR
-Saaz
-Amarillo
-Cascade
-Challenger
-Styrian Golding
-East Kent Goldings


(think my next one will be Dr.Smurto;s Golden Ale so probably not Amarillo)

thanks
Bjorn
 
so just a touch of Saaz at 15 or 20 minutes?

should I stay away from POR as it is more a bittering hop, and go with the more "noble" Saaz?

One part of me wants to try POR all the way, another part (not sure which) says to go Saaz to not take any chances with the first lager :)

Also playing with the idea of mashing in at 45 degrees, then 55 for say 20 min then 64 for an hour to try really get the fermentability up.
 
Well to me the idea of a basic Aussie lager suggests pride of ringwood so I'd keep that. The idea of a basic lager suggests saaz and it works well: hence my recommendation. Otherwise try POR all the way. Either of these will fit in with your idea of a basic aussie lager without too much in the way of challenging flavours.

I think either Bribie G's recipes or Chappo's recipes for basic aussie type beers are probably a good place to start. Also Andrew QLD's Coopers red clone.

If as you say, you want a carlton type beer then I reckon any of the other hops will be out of place.

I'm not the best person to advise on step mashing - I've only ever done one single decoction mash with a ferulic acid rest and a protein rest. Everyhting else so far has been single infusion. Are you a regular step masher? Is your system easy to tweak or are you like me and have to calculate different amounts of water in order to hit temp?

regardless - why not give it a go? Get another brew on as soon as you can in case it fails but you never learn if you never try.
 
Im not really qualified to be answering on this forum & I have never used pride of ringwood hops for my brews

What I have heard though, read, suggests it is a bitterring hop ?

The question now is does it have any flavour ?

The next question is does it have any aroma ?

I dont want to go too off topic here but pride of ringwood is Aussie so I hope Im within the guidelines here

There are a lot of knockers of the VB,Crownie,Aussie meggaswill & here we are trying to emulate it

Dont get me wrong at times I try them & say shite but other times when I have been working hard they go down sooooo nice especially the first one so I geuss Im just flying the flag a bit for the Aussies

I also realise clusters is used in our megga swill & Ive tried them all at certain times & they have gone down well with good Aussie company

By the way this is a good thread as I would like to emulate a good Aussie Larger so will be saving this thread

Anyway back to drinking my pommy bitter cheers all hoping to here youre thoughts on Pride of ringwood
 
I'm not the best person to advise on step mashing - I've only ever done one single decoction mash with a ferulic acid rest and a protein rest. Everyhting else so far has been single infusion. Are you a regular step masher? Is your system easy to tweak or are you like me and have to calculate different amounts of water in order to hit temp?

regardless - why not give it a go? Get another brew on as soon as you can in case it fails but you never learn if you never try.


My setup consists of one of those cheap, imported 30-litre urnes, works great.
It boils fast, so I think it will be pretty easy to say mash-in to get 45 degrees, then full heat after say 15 min to reach 55 degrees and keep that for another 20 min before full heat again, etc.
It boils very fast so going from mash-out temp usually doesn't take to long, so should maybe just have a try at the different temps.

Picked up the grains earlier today, pilsner and carapils, will use a kg of rice as well.
Guess it's brew time again this weekend, woohoo!

Will have another think about it, but it seems Saaz or POR for flavor and POR for bittering is the go.

thanks for the help,
Bjorn
 
I wouldn't blame the hop for a shit brew.

Just because Pride of Ringwood is used in some average beers doesn't mean it's an average hop. A bittering hop has a good alpha acid level and when used for bittering gives a clean profile. That doesn't mean that it can't be used at other points in the boil.

Of course it has flavour and aroma: just as any and all hops do.

To any who think a good brew can't be be made with PoR - just think coopers pale and sparkling.
 
True Manticle,

I have just bought POR for the first time and am going to try a coopers pale ale clone on friday. I am very interested to taste and smell the hop character. It does receive negative reviews because of the beers associated with it, but how would you know if you don't try it? I only have pellets at this stage, but after I test the hop I'll try again with flowers, perhaps for aroma at flameout, and compare the two.

I love HB...particularly AG...so many choices. Tweaking and tinkering about with recipes is so much fun. :icon_cheers:

Bowie
 
So true Mants you never know till you try it but does it have aroma?
 
I've brewed a couple of Bohemian Pilseners and of course I would not dream of putting sugar in them. On the other hand when I do a Carlton style Aussie Standard Lager I wouldn't dream of not putting sugar in it :icon_cheers:
Of course I could do an Aussie Style with all malt and it would probably turn out like an Aussie boutique micro style a-la-Bondi or Bluetongue but that's not really what I'm after, rather an easy drinking house beer / quaffing drop / lawnmower.


But why on earth would you deliberately brew a carlton style lager! Australian commercial lagers are mud and should be avoided...why why why....it makes no sense
 
Easy Nashi youre dealing with Aussies here mate lol
 
So what should he be mashing mate whats the good mud
 
But why on earth would you deliberately brew a carlton style lager! Australian commercial lagers are mud and should be avoided...why why why....it makes no sense


Maybe you're brewing for your mates and they all think homebrew is weird and you want to prove them wrong?

Maybe you grew up on the stuff?

Maybe you're making a good version to show how it can be done properly?

@rude: As I said above - of course it has aroma. Whether or not it's an aroma you like or want in your beer is for you to decide but like any other hop, if you add it late in the boil or fermentation it will lend a specific aroma to your beer. This is not a hop I've brewed with by the way - it's just common sense. It's a hop. It behaves like other hops. If I'm wrong you can take me out to the cinema and make me pay for popcorn.
 
A full reciepe would be nice of what is the good mud cheers

lol still waiting
 
pass mants youre too good looking for me mate

I recon its a good bittering hop thats it
 
I think either Bribie G's recipes or Chappo's recipes for basic aussie type beers are probably a good place to start. Also Andrew QLD's Coopers red clone.

If you want the good mud, this is where I'd be looking.
 
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