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Bugger. That would make for one awesome home movie :D

Skotrat had a good little 15 sec movie of one of their high gravity beer comps beers going nuts with a blow off tube sending out huge bubbles every second a while back. Wish I had saved it.

Beers,
Doc
 
Finally I'm past high kraeusen and damn it if I did not lose 3/4 of a gallon to that blow off spew. I guess next time I'll buy bigger fermenters. My house is filled with this intense fruity smell-- I love it! :rolleyes:
 
Lots of work left to be done on this one. Final gravity 1.024 (too much caramel malt = too many unfermentables) Really malty, high alcohol. Good overall beer but I wouldn't go brewing it just yet. It is too cloyingly sweet. I even tried to get it to come down a bit with champaign yeast-- no luck. I'm making some major recipie changes for the next go round.
 
gday yankee brewer
how did the first recipe you posted go/taste.
im keen on trying it and you at the moment are our only source as to comparision between the real mccoy and your first recipe.

cheers
big d
 
All those hops were pellets and are LEGAL to import, though you may need to fight AQIS

main prob seems to be with malts, have your o/seas supplier pack some documentation with it, and prepare to deal with some arrogant public servants but malt and pellet hops are LEGAL to import


Jovial Monk
 
Yankee Brewer,

Has it improved with age ?
Have you had a second attempt at it ?

Keep us informed.

Beers,
Doc
 
doc the version i got off the net is as follows and is one i will put down soon

5.2kg pale 2 row malt
.68kg crystal 120l
hop schedule
35 grams chinook @ 90 min
28 grams @ 30 min
14 grams @ flame out
irish moss
whitelabs wlp 007 or wlp 001
mash @ 68 deg c for 60 min

will have to substitute the whitelabs for an english ale yeast i have though.1335/1968

cheers
big d

jayse posted one earlier that i copied if you want it.its different again than the above
 
Why not use 1272 or 1056 ? :) They'd be more suited to an american IPA than an english yeast.
 
Found these recipes today.

Arrogant ******* Ale
6 Pounds Pale Malt Extract
1 Pound Belgian Special-B Malt Grain
Pound Belgian CaraVienne Malt Grain
Pound Belgian CaraMunich Malt Grain
Pound Belgian Biscuit Malt Grain
Pound Red Wheat Malt Grain
Pound Cara-Pils Malt Grain
2 Ounces Centennial Hops (Bittering)
2 Ounces Columbus Hops (Flavoring)
1 Ounce Cascade Hops (Aroma)
1 Teaspoon Irish Moss
1 Vial White Labs California Ale Yeast (WLP001) or
White Labs Edinburgh Ale Yeast (WLP028) or
White Labs British Ale Yeast (WLP005)
1 Cup Corn Sugar (Priming)


METHOD:
Place crushed Grains in water and steep at 155 degrees for 30 minutes. Remove spent grains and add Malt Extract and Bittering Hops. Boil for 1 hour, adding the Flavoring Hops 40 minutes into the boil. Add Irish Moss last 5 minutes of the boil. Add Aroma Hops in the last 2 minutes of the boil. Cool wort and pitch yeast. Primary-ferment in a 6.5 gallon glass carboy at 68 to 73 degrees for 5 to 7 days. Transfer to secondary fermenter. Secondary-ferment in a 5 gallon glass carboy an additional 7 to 10 days at temperatures between 68 and 73 degrees. Bottle, using corn sugar. Age in bottle for 30 days.

Arrogant Bitch Ale

6 Pounds Pale Malt Extract
1 Pound Belgian Special-B Malt Grain
Pound Belgian CaraVienne Malt Grain
Pound Belgian CaraMunich Malt Grain
Pound Belgian Biscuit Malt Grain
Pound Red Wheat Malt Grain
Pound Cara-Pils Malt Grain
1 Pound Honey
2 Ounces Centennial Hops (Bittering)
2 Ounces Columbus Hops (Flavoring)
1 Ounce Cascade Hops (Aroma)
1 Teaspoon Irish Moss
1 Vial White Labs California Ale Yeast (WLP001) or
White Labs Edinburgh Ale Yeast (WLP028) or
White Labs British Ale Yeast (WLP005)
1 Cup Corn Sugar (Priming)


OG: 1.058

METHOD
Place crushed Grains in water and steep at 155 degrees for 30 minutes. Remove spent grains and add Malt Extract, Honey and Bittering Hops. Boil for 1 hour, adding the Flavoring Hops 40 minutes into the boil. Add Irish Moss last 5 minutes of the boil. Add Aroma Hops in the last 2 minutes of the boil. Cool wort and pitch yeast. Primary-ferment in a 6.5 gallon glass carboy at 68 to 73 degrees for 5 to 7 days. Transfer to secondary fermenter. Secondary-ferment in a 5 gallon glass carboy an additional 7 to 10 days at temperatures between 68 and 73 degrees. Bottle, using corn sugar. Age in bottle for 30 days

The difference in the two is that there is honey in the A Bitch Ale, and not in the A *******

Who is going to be the guinea pig?
Very hard to know if you are close if you can't get the real thing to compare with.

Doc
 
I am interested in being the guinea pig...

But i want to do it AG,
what do i need to convert the 6.5pounds of extract into grains...
what yeast is best from the following:
1084 Irish Ale,
1099 Whitbread Ale
1272 American Ale Yeast 11
1338 European Ale Yeast
1728 Scotish Ale
2112 Californian Lager

and i will do the Bitch Ale...
then all i need is a Bar Bitch to pull/pour the Bitch Ale...for the Arrogant *******. :p :chug:
 
Like many recipoes found on the net, a bit sus

biscuit and wheat malt need to be mashed, not steeped

Jovial Monk
 
2 all-grain clones. Can't say if they're any good because I haven't made them - yet. ;)

1
Arrogant ******* Clone
Name Arrogant ******* Clone
Description A clone of Stone Brew's Arrogant *******
Added by rob
Date Submitted Tue, 11 Feb 2003 01:40 PM (PST)
Ingredients
11.5 pounds pale two-row malt
1.5 pounds crystal 120
1.25 oz chinook pellets (12.5 aa%) (15.6 AAUs) @ 90 min
1.0 oz chinook pellets (12.5 AAUs) @ 30 min
0.5 oz chinook pellets (6.25 AAUs) @ flame out
1 tsp Irish moss
White Labs WLP007 or WLP001 (English Ale Yeast)

Preparation
Place crushed grains in water and steep at 155 degrees for 60 minutes. Boil for 90 minutes, adding the hops according to schedule. Add Irish Moss last 5 minutes of the boil. Cool wort and pitch yeast. Primary ferment at about 68 F for 7 to 10 days. Secondary fermentation optional.
Specifics
Style Strong Ale
Recipe Type All Grain
Batch Size 5 gallons
Original Gravity 1.074
Final Gravity 1.018
Boiling Time 90 minutes
Primary Fermentation Glass, ~ 68 F, 7-10 days
Secondary Fermentation optional
Other Specifics 75 IBUs, about 7% abv.
Comments
Aging will mellow the ******* so drink it young if you want to prove your worth.

This recipe was compiled from various sources of AB clones.

2
Arrogant ******* All Grain
Style: American Specialty Ale
WARNING This Beer is not for the faint of heart!!! You probably shouldnt even be thinking of brewing a beer
of such monumental proportions, let alone drinking it. The heavy handed doses of high alpha hops -
including the finishing (dry) hops will be right in your face. Backed up with a complex malty backbone, this
beer packs a punch and then some. If you think that youre worthy, give it a shot. Otherwise just stick with
your cans and corn sugar. (Starting Gravity: 1.074-1.080) (Finishing Gravity: 1.014-1.020) (Approximate Alcohol
Content: 7.4-7.9%) (78 IBU)
Ingredients:
2 Row 4.0 pounds
American Wheat 4.0 pounds
American Munich 4.0 pounds
Special-B 8.0 ounces
Biscuit 8.0 ounces
Aromatic 8.0 ounces
Corn Sugar (Bottling) .75 cups
Magnum (Bittering 60 min.) 1.0 ounces
Columbus (Bittering 50 min.) 0.5 ounces
Centennial (Flavoring 30 min.) 0.5 ounces
Centennial (Finishing - Dry) 1.0 ounces
Irish Moss 1.0 package
Wyeast #1056 American Ale 1.0 package
OR
White Labs #WLP-001 1.0 tube
Date Gravity
Brewing:
Racking:
Bottling:
Alcohol: %
Follow Basic Mashing Instructions included
Turn up heat to achieve boil
Boil for 30 minutes
Add 1 oz. Magnum bittering hopsset timer for 10 minutes. After 10 minutes
Add .5 oz. Columbusset timer for 20 minutes. After 20 minutes
Add .5 oz. Centennialset timer for 15 minutes. After 15 minutes
Add Irish Mossset timer for 15 minutes. After 15 minutes
Remove from heat (NOTE: Add Dry Hops now if no secondary fermenter will be used), cover pot and chill to 70 to 80F.
Add to primary fermenter by straining through filter funnel, top up with water to 5 gallons and mix and aerate well by
shaking fermenter or injecting filtered air or oxygen.
Pitch Yeast. If using Wyeast make sure the package is completely swollen. White Labs should be allowed to warm to
pitching temperature.
You should have active fermentation within 8 to 36 hours.
Once fermentation is complete, transfer to secondary (if you have one) and add 1 oz. of Centennial Dry Hops for 1-4 weeks,
depending on how Arrogant you want this beer to be.
Bottle or Keg as usual.
 
Based on the recipe from HBA, which is the one Jayse posted ages back, and I think is the same as Ken has posted above, I've worked up the following recipe for 25 litres @ 75% efficiency.
I've substitued Chinook for the Magnum and Columbus and Cascade for the Centennial.

Has anyone used this much Chinook for bittering ?
Any other thoughts ?

This will be part of the Muther of all brew days this week.

Doc

Doc's Arrogant ******* Ale Clone

A ProMash Recipe Report

BJCP Style and Style Guidelines
-------------------------------

06-A American Pale Ales, American Pale Ale

Min OG: 1.045 Max OG: 1.056
Min IBU: 20 Max IBU: 40
Min Clr: 8 Max Clr: 22 Color in EBC

Recipe Specifics
----------------

Batch Size (L): 25.00 Wort Size (L): 25.00
Total Grain (kg): 7.70
Anticipated OG: 1.074 Plato: 17.99
Anticipated EBC: 32.7
Anticipated IBU: 80.1
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75 %
Wort Boil Time: 90 Minutes

Pre-Boil Amounts
----------------

Evaporation Rate: 10.00 Percent Per Hour
Pre-Boil Wort Size: 29.41 L
Pre-Boil Gravity: 1.063 SG 15.43 Plato

Formulas Used
-------------

Brewhouse Efficiency and Predicted Gravity based on Method #1, Potential Used.
Final Gravity Calculation Based on Points.
Hard Value of Sucrose applied. Value for recipe: 46.2100 ppppg
Yield Type used in Gravity Prediction: Fine Grind Dry Basis.

Color Formula Used: Morey
Hop IBU Formula Used: Rager

Additional Utilization Used For Plug Hops: 2 %
Additional Utilization Used For Pellet Hops: 10 %


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential EBC
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
30.7 2.37 kg. JWM Traditional Ale Malt Australia 1.038 7
30.7 2.37 kg. JWM Wheat Malt Australia 1.040 4
30.7 2.37 kg. JWM Light Munich Australia 1.038 20
3.9 0.30 kg. Weyermann Caraaroma Germany 1.034 350
3.9 0.30 kg. Weyermann Caraamber Germany 1.037 70

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
35.00 g. Chinook Pellet 12.20 50.1 60 min.
18.00 g. Chinook Pellet 12.20 24.1 50 min.
18.00 g. Cascade Pellet 5.40 5.8 30 min.
36.00 g. Cascade Pellet 5.40 0.0 Dry Hop


Yeast
-----

White Labs WLP001 California Ale


Water Profile
-------------

Profile:
Profile known for:

Calcium(Ca): 0.0 ppm
Magnesium(Mg): 0.0 ppm
Sodium(Na): 0.0 ppm
Sulfate(SO4): 0.0 ppm
Chloride(Cl): 0.0 ppm
biCarbonate(HCO3): 0.0 ppm

pH: 0.00


Mash Schedule
-------------

Mash Type: Single Step

Grain kg: 7.70
Water Qts: 24.42 - Before Additional Infusions
Water L: 23.11 - Before Additional Infusions

L Water Per kg Grain: 3.00 - Before Additional Infusions

Saccharification Rest Temp : 66 Time: 90
Mash-out Rest Temp : 72 Time: 10
Sparge Temp : 78 Time: 60


Total Mash Volume L: 28.25 - Dough-In Infusion Only

All temperature measurements are degrees Celsius.
 
Haven't ever used that much chinnook but i have pushed it up to almost a ounce.
What you'll find is the chinnook will come right through the finishing hops and you'll wonder if you forgot to put cascade on the end when in comes time to drink it all up.
Looking at the recipe you would think there isn't enough finishing hops in this beer but what it is, is the chinnook flavour will provide most of what you would ussually provide with a lot of finishing hops. Does that make sense?


Good luck with it Doc and let us know how she comes up.

Cheers Jayse
 
Jayse,

I understand what you are saying.
My only other alternative would be to use Simcoe for the bittering.

So maybe the same question.
Has anyone used this much Simcoe for bittering ?

Beers,
Doc
 
Just got some hops from Hopco:
1 kg of Chinook
1 kg of goldings

Looking at tackling one of thes Arrogant ******* Ale clones...
Trying to decide if i do the ******* or the bitch...
 
There is no choice.
Are you man or mouse ?

Go the *******.

Doc
 
Doc

I thought i was man enough to handle "the Bitch!"
:eek:
 
Doc by the looks of the clone recipe i would say the huge amount of chinnook is what makes this beer what it is.
The S.S.O.S is the same that uses 3 oz of chinnook for 60 mins with not a hell of a lot of finishing hops on the end.
Can't help with the simcoe haven't used it in in huge amounts yet either.

Hows the demon ale tasting now?

Jayse
 
jayse said:
The S.S.O.S is the same that uses 3 oz of chinnook for 60 mins with not a hell of a lot of finishing hops on the end.

Hows the demon ale tasting now?
Yeah I did a search on the chinook on HBD after posting and found the SSOS had 84gr of chinook @ 60 mins.
That gave me some more confidence.
And of course this beer is not for wimps. Wimps should brew the bitch clone :lol:

Haven't sampled the Demon Ale yet. Has only just got past high krausen.

Beers,
Doc
 

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