Anybody in AU selling those mini oxygen regulators for disposable tank

[Maheel]

do these regs fit the little argon / co'2 bottles at bunnings for mig / tig welding as well ?

if yes some bunnings have them

 

[slash22000]

Sorry for any disappointment, we've been consolidating and working hard on an expansion that will be ready for release shortly.

We have a shipment landing in about 4 or 5 days and some very flexible brewers have been patiently waiting since a glitch on our site let them order when we unexpectedly ran out of stock. We will be offering said brewers a 10% discount on their next purchase.

For anyone else who is certain they want a kit let me know and we can organise a per-order. They should be on the shelf by Friday.

Cheers

Ciro

G'day mate - just wondering what your thoughts are about this rumour "Bernzomatic cylinders are becoming hard to come by"?

Will this adapter you sell fit other brands?

 

[Truman42]

I was thinking about giving this a go using the oxy bottle from our oxy acetylene kit at work that we hardly use anyway. Going to buy a length of tube a filter and stone to connect up to the regulator.

Anyone tried this?

What KPA do i need to set the regulator at for this?

 

[vortex]

I was thinking about giving this a go using the oxy bottle from our oxy acetylene kit at work that we hardly use anyway. Going to buy a length of tube a filter and stone to connect up to the regulator.

Anyone tried this?

What KPA do i need to set the regulator at for this?

Filter isn't required.
You'd be more interested in a consistent flow-rate, rather than a KPA amount; the KPA is probably actually what pressure is inside the bottle.

 

[stux]

You just need enough pressure to get some slight bubbling. Basically ideal is to have all the bubbles from the stone not actually make it to the top of the wort.

I believe Jamil Zainasheff (Brew Strong) uses fullsize O2 bottle with medical reg.

 

[drsmurto]

A couple of points.

Air can get you to the minimum O2 requirements for an ale (8 ppm) with a lot of effort. An aquarium pump will also max out at 8ppm and will take a long time to do it. Air is, on average, only 21% O2 and so you are limited by that concentration.

Pure O2 will get you well into the recommended O2 range for ales and lagers in a minute or 2.

Less time for your wort exposed to the air. Less time for spoilage organisms to get into your wort. Less is better in my book.

After brewing AG for a number of years the single biggest change i have made is to move to pure O2. Someone mentioned awards for brewes who don't use O2 - yes, I am one of those.

However, my beers now ferment out faster, cleaner and attenuation is higher and more consistent when compared to not using O2. I am happier with my beers now.

Is pure O2 necessary? No. Does it make a positive difference? Yes.

 

[micblair]

I was thinking about giving this a go using the oxy bottle from our oxy acetylene kit at work that we hardly use anyway. Going to buy a length of tube a filter and stone to connect up to the regulator.

Anyone tried this?

What KPA do i need to set the regulator at for this?

The gauge from the kits only shows bottle pressure, not flow, so its a matter of just turning the dial until your satisfied with the amount of bubbles. I use a 2 micron stone, but apparently with a 0.5 micron the bubbles should be sufficiently small enough such that they dont even make it to the surface. I haven't been able to achieve this, so I just bubble in the range that doesn't cause too much foam for a 2 or so minutes.

 

[CONNOR BREWARE]

G'day mate - just wondering what your thoughts are about this rumour "Bernzomatic cylinders are becoming hard to come by"?

Will this adapter you sell fit other brands?

I havent found that at all, you can walk into Masters and order 10 and get a trade discount of 10%. The American supply of the O2 reg and .5 micron stone that I stock estmates you can get 10-15 batches oxygenated with one cylinder and recommends 1-2 mins per batch.

There are larger Bernzomatic cylinders available but I havent taken that further at this stage.

By adapter you mean the brass regulator right? the other brands would need to be the same size head. compare it at the green shed or Masters and you'll be able to tell.

I just checked the tracking and it's 10 days till they arrive brewers.

 

[Bada Bing Brewery]

A couple of points.

Air can get you to the minimum O2 requirements for an ale (8 ppm) with a lot of effort. An aquarium pump will also max out at 8ppm and will take a long time to do it. Air is, on average, only 21% O2 and so you are limited by that concentration.

Pure O2 will get you well into the recommended O2 range for ales and lagers in a minute or 2.

Less time for your wort exposed to the air. Less time for spoilage organisms to get into your wort. Less is better in my book.

After brewing AG for a number of years the single biggest change i have made is to move to pure O2. Someone mentioned awards for brewes who don't use O2 - yes, I am one of those.

However, my beers now ferment out faster, cleaner and attenuation is higher and more consistent when compared to not using O2. I am happier with my beers now.

Is pure O2 necessary? No. Does it make a positive difference? Yes.

:icon_offtopic: I will no doubt get pure O2 cranking (connor hurry up). That said, the fact that awards for non O2 saturated brews says alot. How much is the feel good factor for the brewer? I've got pure O2 pumping, the yeasties are doing so well, attenuation is up, ferment is quicker, therefore beer tastes better....
Good Dr, I know you know that correlation is not causation. I'm not trying to be a tool or start I arguement I cannot win (due to my abundant lack of knowledge/experience) just interested if there is empirical evidence pointing toward, pure O2 = better beer.
My apologies - yes I have been drinking again - I am in a remote town, that's my excuse...........
cheers
BBB

 

[WarmBeer]

I havent found that at all, you can walk into Masters and order 10 and get a trade discount of 10%. The American supply of the O2 reg and .5 micron stone that I stock estmates you can get 10-15 batches oxygenated with one cylinder and recommends 1-2 mins per batch.

There are larger Bernzomatic cylinders available but I havent taken that further at this stage.

By adapter you mean the brass regulator right? the other brands would need to be the same size head. compare it at the green shed or Masters and you'll be able to tell.

I just checked the tracking and it's 10 days till they arrive brewers.

Are you anticipating any issues with posting these cylinders over to Vic, NSW, etc? If not, keen to order one.

 

[vortex]

I havent found that at all, you can walk into Masters and order 10 and get a trade discount of 10%.

That's the problem we encountered. No Masters stores in SA (well, Adelaide) and the Gasweld stores here can order them, but it was a 10 bottle minimum order. Bunnings was a similar story from the guy who tried recently.

Dollar for dollar the Bernz bottles/regs aren't as good. I own both a Bernz bottle & regulator (I did easily get 12 - 14 batches from the bottle) and the MHB style system which I greatly prefer for a number of reasons: larger O2 bottles, easier to sanitise, proper regulator, no dicking around with crap barbed fittings - JG all the way!

 

[ashley_leask]

I'm pretty sure that statement is not correct, it just takes about 10 minutes rather than 1 minute.

I've seen different statements on this, but multiple references including the Yeast book have said that more than 8ppm of O2 couldn't be done without pure oxygen. The recommended is 8-10 ppm, so in theory it can be done but my experience using pure O2 is the same as Tony's. I immediately saw a difference in ferment performance, finishing gravity and overall character. Based on that my belief is that even though it's possible to get to the borderline recommended level by the traditional shaking and other methods, most people (including me) probably aren't even if they think they are.

 

[CONNOR BREWARE]

Are you anticipating any issues with posting these cylinders over to Vic, NSW, etc? If not, keen to order one.

No problem shipping at all. We use road transport and have been shipping around the country. We just can't use Australia post as they won't accept.

Happy to arrange bulk cylinders to O2 kit customers as well.

Cheers

Ciaron

 

[drsmurto]

Good Dr, I know you know that correlation is not causation. I'm not trying to be a tool or start I arguement I cannot win (due to my abundant lack of knowledge/experience) just interested if there is empirical evidence pointing toward, pure O2 = better beer.
My apologies - yes I have been drinking again - I am in a remote town, that's my excuse...........
cheers
BBB

Better? That is subjective but to my palate, yes. Cleaner? Definitely.

To my taste, beers like the golden ale that i have been brewing for years taste cleaner and IMO, better now that I am using pure O2. I find I am tasting more in the same beer and my thinking is that it is due to a cleaner ferment. Off flavours that may have been present at, or just below taste/aroma thresholds, are no longer there and the result is the flavours you want to be there coming more to the fore. More complex perhaps? Hops have more 'zing'. Aroma from flameout additions seem to be retained more post ferment

I would be interested to hear other brewers experiences with pure oxygen on recipes they know well.

 

[slash22000]

No problem shipping at all. We use road transport and have been shipping around the country. We just can't use Australia post as they won't accept.

Happy to arrange bulk cylinders to O2 kit customers as well.

Cheers

Ciaron

Can you road freight to Darwin? Seems like no road services actually come up here.

 

[jonw]

I'm waiting on one of Ciaron's oxygen kits.

Can anybody provide any advice as to how much oxygen to use? Lacking a means to measure dissolved oxygen, I'm going to have to go with a rule of thumb. Jamil often mentions 1L/min for one minute for (presumably) a 5 US gallon batch of ale.

How does that approximate to using one of these kits? I'm making 40L batches, so I'm really interested in how long to run the oxygen for either ale or lager, and at what sort of low rate - flat out, or just enough to see bubbles, or somewhere in between?

Cheers,

Jon

 

[browndog]

Without a flow meter, I'd be setting the regulator so you can just see bubbles coming to the surface and giving it a minute at that rate. Make sure you get the airstone down near the bottom of the fermenter to maximize the effectiveness of the flow.

 

[TBird]

Can you get some sort of (cheap) valve which fits these disposable canisters without having to use a regulator ?

Cheers

 

[CONNOR BREWARE]

Can you road freight to Darwin? Seems like no road services actually come up here.

They do go up there but the rates are terrible. I've ried to secure cheaper freight before and had no luck. For instance 2 kegs that cost me $11 o ship to Tasmania would cost me $150 to ship to Darwin. I even put it out to tender and had no luck.

 

[CONNOR BREWARE]

I'm waiting on one of Ciaron's oxygen kits.

Can anybody provide any advice as to how much oxygen to use? Lacking a means to measure dissolved oxygen, I'm going to have to go with a rule of thumb. Jamil often mentions 1L/min for one minute for (presumably) a 5 US gallon batch of ale.

How does that approximate to using one of these kits? I'm making 40L batches, so I'm really interested in how long to run the oxygen for either ale or lager, and at what sort of low rate - flat out, or just enough to see bubbles, or somewhere in between?

Cheers,

Jon

There will be a little bonus gift in your delivery as well Jon as I
appreciate your wait time is too long. My supplier also ran out of
stock. I'd suggest there is some trial and error to be had in
using
these units. The BNA podcasts cover some info, a lot from Jamil, and I
also tend to agree with using small amounts till you gauge the effects
on your own system. You will start to see what works for you based on
batch size and beer style and can judge from there. I sell kegs to
retailers and recently tried one of there BOP beers oxygenated and one
not oxygenated and the difference was remarkable.

 

[CONNOR BREWARE]

Hi all,

For anyone chasing them we have more of our economical Oxygen Regulator Kits back in stock

Also I called around and all the Masters still bring in Bernzomatic O2bottles and they even mentioned you can go on-line and order them if you want.


cheers

Ciaron

www.connorbreware.com

 

[jonw]

You can order them online, but they won't ship them to you. Not to my post code, anyway.

 

[CONNOR BREWARE]

You can order them online, but they won't ship them to you. Not to my post code, anyway.

Ok, No worries I'll on sell them as well.

http://connorbreware.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=68&product_id=119

 

[Lecterfan]

You can order them online, but they won't ship them to you. Not to my post code, anyway.

This is a shared/common problem.

 

[CONNOR BREWARE]

This is a shared/common problem.

Updating my last responce to say we now stock the cylinders for $30 each or 4 for $25 and will ship to most corners of this fine country so that should fix any problems brwers are having with masters outlets.

cheers

 

[Ross]

CraftBrewer also stock the bottles & regulators (currently best price in Australia), we just haven't got on site yet. Contact us direct for details...

P.S. This is why retailers are not supposed to post their wares to non retail threads, as they have the potential to esculate into silly retail wars

Cheers Ross

 

[brad81]

<snip> we now stock the cylinders for $30 each or 4 for $25 and will ship to </snip>

:huh:

Bargain?

h34r:

 

[iralosavic]

CraftBrewer also stock the bottles & regulators (currently best price in Australia), we just haven't got on site yet. Contact us direct for details...

P.S. This is why retailers are not supposed to post their wares to non retail threads, as they have the potential to esculate into silly retail wars

Cheers Ross

Given the title of the thread/first post, I don't see anything wrong/cheeky etc about letting us know you are supplying the same items, Ross. I am sure most of the retailers here are capable of keeping it civil. How long until your new website is done and eparcel up and running etc?

I'm fairly keen to switch to o2 aeration as I no chill and forget to aerate waaaaaay too often. I have no personal experience comparing regular aeration methods against o2, but I can definitely attest to the fact that my beers taste worse if I either forget to aerate on the day I pitch or remember at the last minute and can't really do a good job of it once its already in the fermenter etc. Lagers, particularly pale ones, are really noticeably flawed if I under-aerate compared to the same recipe when I do it properly.

 

[djar007]

Retail wars drive prices down . So says Tracy Grimshaw. I believe everything she feeds me.

 

[Online Brewing Supplies]

CraftBrewer also stock the bottles & regulators (currently best price in Australia), we just haven't got on site yet. Contact us direct for details...

P.S. This is why retailers are not supposed to post their wares to non retail threads, as they have the potential to esculate into silly retail wars

Cheers Ross

Takes two to make a war.