What Type Of Sanitizer?
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Gavo
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Starsan from Craftbrewer here. No-rinse, re-useable, 6ml makes up 5 litres.
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A topic thats been fairly well done to death....
starsan and iodophor are both very highly thought of. Starsan has the added advantage of a foaming action to get it into nooks and crannies.
Bleach/acid combination....30mL/19L water, with 30mL acetic acid. somewhat contreversial due to possible clorophenol issues (speculation), as well as being detrimental to stainless steel (fact). Charlie talley (from 5star chemicals, the makers of starsan) talks about this in a basicbrewing podcast.
Edit: any sanatiser, particularly no rinse, is only effective on clean surfaces. Charlie Talley from 5 star emphasises in his basicbrewing interview that cleaning is the most important part of sanitation...and that sanatisers are really only an 'insurance policy that you have cleaned properly' (his words)
starsan and iodophor are both very highly thought of. Starsan has the added advantage of a foaming action to get it into nooks and crannies.
Bleach/acid combination....30mL/19L water, with 30mL acetic acid. somewhat contreversial due to possible clorophenol issues (speculation), as well as being detrimental to stainless steel (fact). Charlie talley (from 5star chemicals, the makers of starsan) talks about this in a basicbrewing podcast.
Edit: any sanatiser, particularly no rinse, is only effective on clean surfaces. Charlie Talley from 5 star emphasises in his basicbrewing interview that cleaning is the most important part of sanitation...and that sanatisers are really only an 'insurance policy that you have cleaned properly' (his words)
Hi Guys,
I think you'll find your Starsan under strength at that ratio. By my calculations it's 1ml of Starsan per 630ml of water - I always use 1ml Starsan per 500ml demineralised water and have no issues with my brews.
1oz\5gal = 1ml\630ml
Mick
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Five Star, the makers of StarSan, recommend 1 ounce per 5 gallons of water, so with 1 ounce being 28 grams and 5 gallons being 18.9 litres, that's a usage of 1.5 grams per litre. This corresponds with Craftbrewers recommendation of 1.5 ml per litre for no-rinse applications.
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The last few posts bring up one of the most improtant points of sanatisiation; regardless of what sanatiser is used, it should be made up to the manufacturers reccomended concentrations. They work out those concentrations for a reason, after all. 
Is the oz a fluid oz or a weight oz?
1 fl oz = 29.6ml
1 oz - 28gms
Starsan is a liquid so I would assume it was a fluid measure.
Mick
After making over half a tonne of beer in the last six months using four fermenters, over two hundred PET bottles, tubes, spoons etc I have not used anything other than:
Woolies plain bleach mixed at the rate of about one to ten of water from the HWS which is solar, and around here it gets so hot it would literally take your skin off:
Napisan if removing a yeast ring at the inside of the bottle.
Ample usage of the above hot water for rinsing etc
Religious rinsing of PET bottles after pouring and before supping.
Never lost a brew or had a crook bottle.
I bought a tub of the old Sodium Met in June when I started off, it's still unopened in my brew cupboard.
Fermenters: wash with hot water twice. Add dishwashing detergent like Tandil or Blast and wash it as if it's a huge coffee cup, using a soft dishwash cloth. Rinse three times with the super hot water. Add the bleach mixture and leave for at least overnight. Rinse with cold tap water three times. Scour with the super hot water before filling.
There's usually so much grunting and shaking going on in the laundry the Mrs comes out to see if I've got a sheep in there :lol:
If there's anything left alive in my fermenters before filling I'll walk to Bourke.
Bottles: Mix up three litres of solution of the bleach, fill bottles about one sixth, shake and cap and walk away for half an hour. Rinse three times with tap water and once with fairly hot water (the superhot will melt them). Bottle
If there's any hint of a ring at the top of the bottle, I fill with napisan solution and leave for a few days. Napisan will eat just about anything.
Woolies plain bleach mixed at the rate of about one to ten of water from the HWS which is solar, and around here it gets so hot it would literally take your skin off:
Napisan if removing a yeast ring at the inside of the bottle.
Ample usage of the above hot water for rinsing etc
Religious rinsing of PET bottles after pouring and before supping.
Never lost a brew or had a crook bottle.
I bought a tub of the old Sodium Met in June when I started off, it's still unopened in my brew cupboard.
Fermenters: wash with hot water twice. Add dishwashing detergent like Tandil or Blast and wash it as if it's a huge coffee cup, using a soft dishwash cloth. Rinse three times with the super hot water. Add the bleach mixture and leave for at least overnight. Rinse with cold tap water three times. Scour with the super hot water before filling.
There's usually so much grunting and shaking going on in the laundry the Mrs comes out to see if I've got a sheep in there :lol:
If there's anything left alive in my fermenters before filling I'll walk to Bourke.
Bottles: Mix up three litres of solution of the bleach, fill bottles about one sixth, shake and cap and walk away for half an hour. Rinse three times with tap water and once with fairly hot water (the superhot will melt them). Bottle
If there's any hint of a ring at the top of the bottle, I fill with napisan solution and leave for a few days. Napisan will eat just about anything.
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That's the only problem with bleach and napisan.
You need to rinse the buggery out of them.
With water restrictions down here (you can't even wash your car) I use the non rinse stuff like starsan
and iodopher.
Hmmm...
For those rinsing after sanitizing, why are you spending your money on sanitizer?
When you rinse, you just undo all your hard work by putting in bugs that live in your water supply.
get a good no rinse sanitizer or use boiling hot water.
H.
For those rinsing after sanitizing, why are you spending your money on sanitizer?
When you rinse, you just undo all your hard work by putting in bugs that live in your water supply.
get a good no rinse sanitizer or use boiling hot water.
H.
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After you buy some starsan, realise how long it will last you, how inexpensive it turns out to be, how easy it is to use and how effective it is, there really is no substitute. Fantastic stuff for both the meticulous brewers and lazy brewers alike.
Couple that with PBW, and there is no turning back.
Cheers,
Scott.
Couple that with PBW, and there is no turning back.
Cheers,
Scott.
I appreciate the point, but if local domestic water was so dangerously bug ridden then there would be no kit and kilo, or kits and bits, or partial mash brewing because we top up the fermenters with litres and litres of good ol town water.
Like I posted above, no probs with twenty five brews. No doubt the odd bug does live in town water but up to now my yeasties and alcohol in the brew have run em out of town.
I'm now AGing but basically trust the local supply.
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2.5L of orthophosphoric acid - check
liquid hand soap - check
water - check
liquid hand soap - check
water - check
Hey Doc
Are you using the soap as a surfactant when washing? (not your hands) How well does it work ? Also do you know if it's septic safe?
Sorry for all the questions, just looking for a low cost/low tox solution.
H.
