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vortex said:
What's the reason for doing this if it's not for carbonation? Only to make it taste sweeter?
A lot of Euro lagers and Euro style lagers are not fully attenuated - maybe to around ~94%. This is difficult for a homebrewer to work out excactly when you're at 94% so the easiest way is to add some wort back. Hop higher to compensate.

-=Steve=-
 
citymorgue2 said:
Brew day from hell MkII

  • late start as i was helping around the house (first mistake)
  • anyway HLT is on and 30min later i come back and it hasnt budged 1C. pull it apart. wiring it fried. GOD DMAN MOFO HALF ARSED ELECTRICIAN!!! i knew i should have done it all myself. the wires he's used cant be 15amp as they have completely melted and buggered the terminals on the element. christ know how im going to fix that,
  • Too late to abort and grian is crushed and rice is cerial mashed, polenta is in and cooking. THINK THINK THINK. Hot water from the laundry into the tun and ramp up with HERMS - THANK CHRIST FOR HERMS!!!! water isnt filtered from laundry but desperate times call for desperate measures.
  • hook up gas bottle. FK no gas. fly down to servo...$38,50 for a swap and go (not fkn happy agian)
Anyways im ramping to mash out and am about 2hrs behind schedule. ive then got to throw it in thew kettle and then run the gyle.
The gyle made me smile. 160g of hoppy goodness in 23L :) hopmix of centenntial, chinook, colombus and cluster. smells awsome.

this beer Better be good Bribie!

raven19 said:
I am glad you posted for our amusement mate, you must have been tearing your hair out by the end!
glad you enjoyed it. heres the next chapter.
stupid blue gas bottle insert wouldnt come out and i tore it to shreds, so bak down to the servo to swap it over whilst my wort got cooler in the kettle.
ok finally all donew for midnight train. on grav and on volume pretty much.
ok time for gyle...wish i hadnt fkn started. lots of issues recircing, NFI why, Im stopping the pump and blowing the shit out of it like a hooker at happy hour (probably lasted about an hour). ended up getting the strainer out and straining/squishing most of the grain out of the tun so i could maximise the volume i got. i bet its gonna be under volume and taste shit now just to really piss me off.

3hr46min over planed time and counitng....
 
bradsbrew said:
Last day of over three weeks holidays. Didnt get a single brew in, that makes it well over 2 months since my last brew. Just about to empty my last full cube into the fermenter. Only have a keg of cider and 1/3 keg of IPA left :( Will be doing 2 x 60L batches next weekend.
Slack bugger, sounds a bit like my efforts. I've still got one week holiday left - dunno how I will cope going back (currently looking whistfully at real estate ads from Agnes Water :unsure: ). Still a batch tomorrow and another on Weds should go someway to fixing the supply side of things.
 
labels said:
A lot of Euro lagers and Euro style lagers are not fully attenuated - maybe to around ~94%. This is difficult for a homebrewer to work out excactly when you're at 94% so the easiest way is to add some wort back. Hop higher to compensate.
Can you point to a source for this information? I've personally always been lead to believe 'as dry as possible' was the way to go, at least for the german styles I like (but am yet to actually brew).
 
vortex said:
Can you point to a source for this information? I've personally always been lead to believe 'as dry as possible' was the way to go, at least for the german styles I like (but am yet to actually brew).
You should brew as dry as possible, we can't always copy commercial, especially if you're adding sugar back. There's a bit here http://tinyurl.com/cavbdlh but be careful it kinda reads backwards if you're not on the ball!
 
labels said:
You should brew as dry as possible, we can't always copy commercial, especially if you're adding sugar back. There's a bit here http://tinyurl.com/cavbdlh but be careful it kinda reads backwards if you're not on the ball!
It appears you may be mistaken. Fermenting wort is added back after primary fermentation, the process is called krausening, and it allows the beer to fully attenuate and the CO2 is captured for carbonation - as it's against reinheitsgebot to carbonate with external CO2. The 6% above attenuation they're referring to is only for dark beers, lighter beers having 2 - 4% above the limit of attenuation means there is some residual sugar, to me it doesn't read that they've added unfermented wort to the beer specifically with the purpose of sweetening the beer. At least that's my understanding of what has been said there.

I see what you're trying to do, but I'm not sure it will have the desired affect :)
 
vortex said:
It appears you may be mistaken.
Not mistaken, not at all. Fully aware of what I do. The article was not the deifinitive resource, it's all I could lay my hands on from memory. I was asked for a reference probably not the best choice. The results are calculated and have been trialled successfully.
 
winkle said:
Slack bugger, sounds a bit like my efforts. I've still got one week holiday left - dunno how I will cope going back (currently looking whistfully at real estate ads from Agnes Water :unsure: ). Still a batch tomorrow and another on Weds should go someway to fixing the supply side of things.
Yeah at least once I get back to work i wont be so busy :ph34r: . Havn't been to agnes since about '95 almost bought a few acres for 30K back then.
 
labels said:
Not mistaken, not at all. Fully aware of what I do. The article was not the deifinitive resource, it's all I could lay my hands on from memory. I was asked for a reference probably not the best choice. The results are calculated and have been trialled successfully.
Fair enough. Still interested in hearing more if you can find more resources on it.
 
starting to expirement with 30 - 40 min hop additions on no chill as i get a much better balance of bitterness (suits my taste anyway).

American Pale Ale

Recipe Specs
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Batch Size (L): 21.0
Total Grain (kg): 4.500
Total Hops (g): 60.00
Original Gravity (OG): 1.048 (°P): 11.9
Final Gravity (FG): 1.012 (°P): 3.1
Alcohol by Volume (ABV): 4.72 %
Colour (SRM): 5.5 (EBC): 10.8
Bitterness (IBU): 35.2 (Average - No Chill Adjusted)
Brewhouse Efficiency (%): 70
Boil Time (Minutes): 90

Grain Bill
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4.000 kg Maris Otter Malt (88.89%)
0.500 kg Wheat Malt (11.11%)

Hop Bill
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20.0 g Centennial Pellet (9.7% Alpha) @ 40 Minutes (Boil) (1 g/L)
5.0 g Amarillo Pellet (8.6% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil) (0.2 g/L)
5.0 g Centennial Pellet (9.7% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil) (0.2 g/L)
5.0 g Amarillo Pellet (8.6% Alpha) @ 1 Minutes (Boil) (0.2 g/L)
5.0 g Centennial Pellet (9.7% Alpha) @ 1 Minutes (Boil) (0.2 g/L)
10.0 g Amarillo Pellet (8.6% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop) (0.5 g/L)
10.0 g Centennial Pellet (9.7% Alpha) @ 0 Days (Dry Hop) (0.5 g/L)

Misc Bill
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4.0 g Gypsum (Calcium Sulfate) @ 90 Minutes (Mash)

Single step Infusion at 66°C for 90 Minutes.
Fermented at 16°C with Wyeast 1272 - American Ale II


Recipe Generated with BrewMate
(Not sure whats going on with the font / spacing here, sorry).
 
American Amber Ale

Recipe Specs
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Batch Size (L): 42.0
Total Grain (kg): 10.100
Total Hops (g): 130.00
Original Gravity (OG): 1.053 (°P): 13.1
Final Gravity (FG): 1.013 (°P): 3.3
Alcohol by Volume (ABV): 5.21 %
Colour (SRM): 11.5 (EBC): 22.7
Bitterness (IBU): 32.7 (Average)
Brewhouse Efficiency (%): 70
Boil Time (Minutes): 60

Grain Bill
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7.000 kg Pale Ale Malt (69.31%)
2.500 kg Munich II (24.75%)
0.300 kg Caraaroma (2.97%)
0.300 kg Crystal 60 (2.97%)

Hop Bill
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15.0 g Amarillo Pellet (10.1% Alpha) @ 40 Minutes (Boil) (0.4 g/L)
15.0 g Citra Pellet (13.9% Alpha) @ 40 Minutes (Boil) (0.4 g/L)
15.0 g Amarillo Pellet (10.1% Alpha) @ 15 Minutes (Boil) (0.4 g/L)
15.0 g Citra Pellet (13.9% Alpha) @ 15 Minutes (Boil) (0.4 g/L)
15.0 g Amarillo Pellet (10.1% Alpha) @ 5 Minutes (Boil) (0.4 g/L)
15.0 g Citra Pellet (13.9% Alpha) @ 5 Minutes (Boil) (0.4 g/L)
20.0 g Amarillo Pellet (10.1% Alpha) @ 0 Minutes (Boil) (0.5 g/L)
20.0 g Citra Pellet (13.9% Alpha) @ 0 Minutes (Boil) (0.5 g/L)

Misc Bill
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Single step Infusion at 66°C for 60 Minutes.
Fermented at 18°C with Safale US-05


Recipe Generated with BrewMate
 
Being a guinea pig and testing out the Caliente hops from Yakimavalleyhops. Will split into 2 kegs and dry hop one with Caliente and the other without a dryhop. Hopefully i don't end up with two kegs of bland boring beer. I guess i can always make a 7% IIPA of some description and cut it with that.


BeerSmith Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
Recipe: Caliente APA
Brewer:
Style: American Pale Ale
TYPE: All Grain

Recipe Specifications
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Batch Size (fermenter): 45.00 l
Boil Size: 56.45 l
Estimated OG: 1.055 SG
Estimated Color: 9.6 SRM
Estimated IBU: 29.1 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 68.00 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
10.00 kg Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 83.3 %
1.00 kg Caramunich II (Weyermann) (63.0 SRM) Grain 2 8.3 %
1.00 kg Wheat Malt, Malt Craft (Joe White) (2.0 Grain 3 8.3 %
20.00 g Caliente [17.80 %] - First Wort 60.0 min Hop 4 21.9 IBUs
20.00 g Caliente [17.80 %] - Boil 10.0 min Hop 5 7.2 IBUs
110.00 g Caliente [17.80 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 6 0.0 IBUs
1.0 pkg Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05) Yeast 7 -


Mash Schedule: Braden Stepmash

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Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
Dough in Add 38.00 l of water at 60.1 C 55.0 C 5 min
Maltose Heat to 63.0 C over 4 min 63.0 C 30 min
Dextrinization Heat to 70.0 C over 4 min 70.0 C 40 min
mashout Heat to 73.0 C over 4 min 73.0 C 10 min


Notes:
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6g CaCl2 Mash
10g CaSO4 Boil
 
Small BIAB trial.
100% Wey Vienna
single addition of fuggles at 90 mins
step mash and then boiled the whole lot grains and all for a couple of hours for melanoidan development. looking forward to it.
 
Recipe: Rye IPA

Recipe Specifications
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Batch Size (fermenter): 20.00 l
Estimated OG: 1.066 SG
Estimated Color: 13.1 SRM
Estimated IBU: 63.7 IBUs
Brewhouse Efficiency: 72.00 %
Est Mash Efficiency: 79.2 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt Name Type # %/IBU
4.50 kg Pale Malt, Traditional Ale (Joe White) ( Grain 1 73.8 %
1.00 kg Rye Malt (Weyermann) (3.0 SRM) Grain 2 16.4 %
0.40 kg Caramel Malt - 60L (Briess) (60.0 SRM) Grain 3 6.6 %
0.20 kg Crystal, Dark (Joe White) (110.0 SRM) Grain 4 3.3 %
12.00 g Columbus (Tomahawk) [13.10 %] - Boil 60. Hop 5 16.7 IBUs
40.00 g Columbus (Tomahawk) [13.10 %] - Boil 20. Hop 6 33.8 IBUs
30.00 g Falconer's Flight [11.40 %] - Boil 5.0 m Hop 7 7.3 IBUs
20.00 g Columbus (Tomahawk) [14.00 %] - Boil 5.0 Hop 8 5.9 IBUs
1.0 pkg American Ale II (Wyeast Labs #1272) [124 Yeast 9 -
30.00 g Falconer's Flight [11.40 %] - Dry Hop 5. Hop 10 0.0 IBUs


Mash Schedule: Temperature Mash, 2 Step, Medium Body
Total Grain Weight: 6.10 kg
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Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
Protein Rest Add 19.06 l of water at 59.0 C 55.0 C 10 min
Saccharification Heat to 66.7 C over 15 min 66.7 C 45 min
Mash Out Heat to 75.6 C over 10 min 75.6 C 10 min

Sparge: Fly sparge with 11.82 l water at 75.6 C

This just went into the fermentor. Winged my first rye mash without using the rice hulls which I bought specifically for rye! Was a slow recirc during the mash steps and I don't think I sparged enough as I came in a little under on volume into the FV. Wort tastes fantastic so I'm hoping for a smooth ferment as this beer will be served at my engagement party. Now I have to think about what else to brew for it......I know I should probably brew something tamer for the weak palates that'll no doubt come but I have a mountain of hops and different grains to brew with......
 
Never tried Citra before, so thought I'd knock up a fairly simple APA and see what all the fuss is about:



Code:
Style: American Pale Ale
TYPE: All Grain

Recipe Specifications
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Batch Size (fermenter): 23.00 l   
Estimated OG: 1.051 SG
Estimated Color: 8.2 SRM
Estimated IBU: 35.5 IBUs
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amt                   Name                                     Type          #        %/IBU         
4.00 kg               Pale Malt (Weyermann) (3.3 SRM)          Grain         1        76.2 %        
1.00 kg               Munich Malt (9.0 SRM)                    Grain         2        19.0 %        
0.25 kg               Crystal, Medium (Simpsons) (55.0 SRM)    Grain         3        4.8 %         
20.00 g               Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 60.0 min          Hop           4        26.2 IBUs     
15.00 g               Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 20.0 min         Hop           5        5.5 IBUs      
10.00 g               Cascade [5.50 %] - Boil 5.0 min          Hop           6        1.2 IBUs      
10.00 g               Citra [12.00 %] - Boil 5.0 min           Hop           7        2.6 IBUs      
1.0 pkg               American Ale II (Wyeast Labs #1272) [124 Yeast         8        -             
20.00 g               Cascade [5.50 %] - Dry Hop 3.0 Days      Hop           9        0.0 IBUs      
20.00 g               Citra [12.00 %] - Dry Hop 3.0 Days       Hop           10       0.0 IBUs      


Mash Schedule: My Mash
Total Grain Weight: 5.25 kg
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^ Nice one. I have used it only the once with Centennial and at first it was just ok. About 3 weeks in the bottle onward it began to shine for me. Your tastes may differ though let us know what you think
 
Just mashed in my usual harvest ale grist (I do loose variations on a theme), except this year I've upped the IBUs:

'12 Harvest ale.

OG 1.053
FG 1.012
IBU: 50

23L into the fermenter, %68 efficiency on beersmith.

4kgs Simps MO
1kg Wey Munich
500gms Victory
200gms torrified wheat
Nelson Sav at 45 mins to 50 IBUs
wyeast 1272

Flameout:
320gms homegrown cascade
100gms homegrown columbus
100 gms homegrown chinook
80gms homegrown POR
40gms homegrown EKG
(basically everything I have left in the freezer dried and vac sealed from my 2012 harvest).

And if I get the energy I have about 100gms of cascade on the bine ready to harvest so I might chuck in some wet hop (although I'm thinking of doing a cascade only rye APA that is all wet hop for aroma additions).
 
American Pale Ale

Original Gravity (OG): 1.051
Final Gravity (FG): 1.013
Alcohol (ABV): 5.01 %
Colour (SRM): 8.9
Bitterness (IBU): 35.7

90.98% Pale Ale Malt
4.51% Crystal 40
4.51% Crystal 60

0.7 g/L Northern Brewer (9.6% Alpha) @ 60 Minutes (Boil)
0.7 g/L Willamette (7.1% Alpha) @ 30 Minutes (Boil)
0.7 g/L Cascade (7.8% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil)
0.7 g/L Cascade (7.8% Alpha) @ 1 Minutes (Boil)
0.7 g/L Willamette (7.1% Alpha) @ 1 Minutes (Boil)


Single step Infusion at 66°C for 60 Minutes. Boil for 90 Minutes

Fermented at 19°C with


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Some kind of APA tonight -

5 kg MO
1 kg wey vienna
250g heritage crystal
250g biscuit
~60g aromatic

Hopped with equal amounts of challenger, styrians and cascade at 60, 20, 15, 10 and 5 to about 45 IBU
70% mash efficiency, dennys favourite (Wyeast).

1:1 (by weight) CaCl2: CaSO4

Some yeast nutrient.
No chilled

Mash: TEMP: 55/62/67/72/78
TIME: 10/10/50/10/10

22 L final vol.
 
Pale ale. Havent used notto in a while. Im out of MO too.

78% BEST pilz
6.1% Simpsons med xtal
6.1% Oat malt
9.8% Invert syrup no.2

EKG 60
EKG 15

Notto

1.045
33 IBU
 
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