Terror suspect shot dead in Melbourne suburb.

[Blind Dog]

What I find odd is that I lived in London In the early 90s and there were almost daily IRA bombs going off somewhere, or disarmed by the police. People died or were injured. Yes there was increased police scrutiny of the Irish immigrant community, but there was no 'us' and 'them' attitude prevalent, no draconian censorship laws, no restrictions on freedoms to keep the country safe. Everyone just got on with their lives and dealt with the bomb scares, closed streets, tube evacuations etc. I still lived there when the bombs went off on 7/7. Friends were injured, but not amongst the 52 killed.

Now it just feels different and somehow scarier and a lot more hysterical but nothing much has actually happened. Whilst I don't subscribe to the conspiracy theory view of life as I just don't get what's in it for the apparent conspirators, lazy sound bite journalism has a lot to answer for. We're walking round in fear of jihadists on every street corner, but they're just not there, we seem to be jumping at shadows that do t exist. No doubt there are radicalized Muslims here, but they are currently few and far between. Most Muslims are just like us, but sober - they want a peaceful life, for their kids to have a better life than they had, walks on the beach, love, respect and a sense of belonging. If our media continue to portray Muslims as radicalized jihadists, we'll ostracize our best bet of making sure that does not become our reality

 

[Vini2ton]

But honestly fellas, this is a site mkay about homebrew and we don't talk about religion or perverts or polifuckintics.

 

[manticle]

Go to bed mate. You'll make (more) sense in the morning.

 

[Vini2ton]

Become politically aware or suffer the consequences and spelling issues.

 

[Vini2ton]

And thankyou manticle...what the hell is a manticle? A giant crystal of some sort or a big crab...chillie garlic ginger

 

[Spiesy]

I wondered myself why did the police call him a terror suspect instead of a stupid boy, was it because they shot him?

No, it's because he was seen flying the ISIS flag in public, on more than one occasion.

Lol.

 

[philmud]

I think that if it wasn't for the catholics I would have had no one to chuck my yonnies at.

You can't help yourself, can you mate?

 

[philmud]

Also as a point of housekeeping, why, when I started an Islamic State topic, was it moved out of "In the News", but this one is still here? Is this an intended outcome of the newly proposed anti-terror laws?

 

[Eagleburger]

Because talking nasty about minority = bigotry = bad,

killing said minorities = war on terror = good.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Its interesting to note that the largest, and the vast majority of the Muslim population is actually Asian and not Arabic...

Yet the media would have us believe that all Muslims are Arabic and run around wearing white sheets killing people

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

And Blind Dogs view of the IRA is a real levelling point. The IRA where a lot more violent and vicious then the current crop of Muslim extremists. The IRS where bombing on a weekly basis...the Muslim extremists have a lot of catching up to do

But then again they where white so you cant really compare the there actions against the Arabic terrorists can we

 

[Spiesy]

And Blind Dogs view of the IRA is a real levelling point. The IRA where a lot more violent and vicious then the current crop of Muslim extremists. The IRS where bombing on a weekly basis...the Muslim extremists have a lot of catching up to do

I agree, that was a very interesting point of view.

I guess the only difference, if I may be permitted to eat the Devil's avocado, is the "war on terror" topic is more of a global concern - affecting most Western nations.

 

[Dave70]

I wouldn't call what the Government are doing a conspiracy. Rather it's opportunism to distract and keep a dick-brained electorate on side. Some of you guys are clearly drinking more kool-aid than beer at the moment, if you don't think this **** is being politicised.

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Whilst fat **** and morphine addict Göring may have found the time to wax philosophically in between guzzling Bordeaux wines and stuffing his face, lets not forget the 'people' in his case, zee Germans, had little say in the direction they're country was headed. They were duped by a charismatic fascist and psychopath to be sure, but initially he just looked like a war vet and patriot.
Ironically, its political leaders and figureheads who make for the most likely targets for assignation. Sawing the head off Joe Average and posting it online gets a public outcry, kidnapping and murdering a high ranking public servant with direct connections to law enforcement and / or policy making sends an entirely different message. They would be acutely aware of this, one would assume.
Who knows? Maby the politicians are becoming victims of the very media they strive to manipulate?
Vicious circle, eh?



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[madpierre06]

The IS situation as a whole is already being used as justification for legislative changes. You may agree with the changes, they may turn out to be innocuous, they may even replace archaic legislation but it's hard to deny that historically, dramatically reported events and drastic legislative changes often go hand in hand and are met with little resistance from the population at large .
I'm not a big believer in conspiracies, despite the known existence of many (and the imagined existence of a million more) - I prefer to believe in logic informed by factual information. At most I believe people in power like being in power and do what they can to stay there. In the case of Western, liberal democracy, that happens when politicians are seen to be doing something good or right by the majority. No conspiracy, no puppetmaster but there is manipulation of an elastic populace.

My only disagreement with this is regarding conspiracy theories. I do believe that there are very selective groups of people with massive influence within the corridors of power across varying govts who use said influence to bring about legislative and other changes which suit them. I don't have the time or inclination to list what I see as circumstantial evidence of such, other than to suggest having a look at policies and changes brought in across particularly western govts which all mirror each other and which only benefit the very well off to the detriment of thew less well off. And by the time it becomes obvious what has happened...well, it's too late to do anything about it
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Ill put your unecessary insult aside mate and yes, reread what you said and still would like to know what reasoning you think would be acceptable and not seen as the government taking advantage of the events?

You're right, I wasn't in the best head space last night and the insult itself was uncalled for. My apologies mate.

I will query as to why you had a shot at my original post and then liked Manticle's post above which I have quoted when he has (a little more eloquently) posted very similar thoughts to what I was saying.

People disagree, sometimes vehemently but please discuss opposing points of view without getting personal. Goes for everyone.

Again, you're right, my apologies for the term used, it wasn't necessary.

 

[wide eyed and legless]

I have no problem with the police actions, MY POINT is does the Victorian police manual on terror suspects advise officers to call a terror suspect who is threatening to kill members of ASIO and the police to come in for a chat, this is something that is done for suspects of minor offences in order to eliminate them as a suspect.
This individual has been under surveillance for months, even had his passport revoked and was clearly dangerous, what if he had a bomb strapped to him which is not beyond the realms of fantasy, I am a firm believer in surprise is the best tactic, hence a dawn raid with the big key a load of specialist officers making a lot of noise then dragging the suspect out handcuffed,job done, not invite the suspect to drop in for a chat, forewarned is forearmed.

 

[Dave70]

I have no problem with the police actions, MY POINT is does the Victorian police manual on terror suspects advise officers to call a terror suspect who is threatening to kill members of ASIO and the police to come in for a chat, this is something that is done for suspects of minor offences in order to eliminate them as a suspect.
This individual has been under surveillance for months, even had his passport revoked and was clearly dangerous, what if he had a bomb strapped to him which is not beyond the realms of fantasy, I am a firm believer in surprise is the best tactic, hence a dawn raid with the big key a load of specialist officers making a lot of noise then dragging the suspect out handcuffed,job done, not invite the suspect to drop in for a chat, forewarned is forearmed.

They're probably worried they'll wind up as the topic of discussion on next weeks Q & A program with Tony Jones framing it as a 'home invasion'.

 

[wobbly]

It now seems that earlier in the day/evening the police had been to his home to interview him and reportedly he wasn't at home at the time and they then searched his room in his absence
He appears to have been contacted at some fast food joint by someone and told about the police and reportedly became very angry and returned home
He is supposed to have contacted the police who agreed to meet him and he then chose the location as the local police station
Reportedly his parents (and others) tried to talk him out of going all to no avail, when and how he armed himself not sure
His parents are said to be peaceful and liberal thinking people
The kid had been radicalised by some extremist hatred preaching Imam and lost his way
And the rest is history

Why do we tolerate these radical muslin Imams and allow then to preach hatred of our life and values to the point of inciting and actively encouraging their followers to commit these acts

These are the real terrorists in this country that should be made leave/deported

Wobbly

 

[wide eyed and legless]

Exactly Dave, they are worried about upsetting the Muslim community and the few radicals amongst them, but I do hope now that the powers that be rethink how they go about apprehension and questioning of terror suspects, and if they are not doing so get advice from U.K police about the above.

 

[Online Brewing Supplies]

So you're saying that if you were in the exact same situation you'd have acted differently and accepted the risk that someone who'd just stabbed a colleague standing next to you wasn't going to take your life before you're able to disarm and incapacitate him?

What I am saying is you dont put desk jockeys on the front line just as you dont put blanket folders in special forces,

 

[StalkingWilbur]

Here's some food for thought. Some of these are particularly scary and some that don't effect me, don't seem particularly necessary either.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/sep/25/tony-abbott-trade-freedom-security?CMP=soc_567

And this comment puts things into perspective.



I also find the whistleblower proposes scary. Why the need for that? I personally think Snowden, Manning and Assange should be commended, not condemned.

Just to balance things out, I don't question the cops at all. Someone retarded enough to stab a cop isn't someone I want in my community anyway.