Tell The Truth

[Gerard_M]

The truth! You can't handle the truth!
Son, we live in a world that has beers, and those beers have to be brewed by men with grain. Whose gonna do it? You? You, Stuster? We have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for extract beers, and you curse the all-grain brewers. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what we know. That extract beers, while tragic, are a waste of yeast. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves beers. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want All-Grain beer, you need All-Grain beer. We use words like sparge, mash, & efficiency. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who drinks the very beer I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a mash tun & a sack of grain, and brew real beer. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think of All-Grain brewers!
Cheers
Gerard


Yes that was a bit of a piss-take!

 

[NickB]

For me it has to do with taste - the AG brews I have tasted, almost always taste better than kit brews. I had about 7 or 8 kit brews under my belt when I went AG, and I've never looked back.

I think it's also that your tastes evolve with the beer you brew - by that I mean that even the most experienced brewers on the forum have at one time or other, brewed a K&K beer. If they're anything like me, it would have been the best beer ever...until you're bitten by the AG bug - and just one taste of a quality AG beer will do it - and then it's all you think about...

For me, I'll most likely never do a kit brew again, purely from a taste perspective, but also from a "control" perspecitve. I just prefer to be able to brew any recipe I would like, and to tweak it infinitely to suit my palate.

Basically, if you're happy with the beer you're brewing at present, stick to it. Just don't mis-step and try another brewer's AG beer....... (or it's 'Welcome to the Dark Side)

Cheers

 

[Duff]

Son, we live in a world that has beers, and those beers have to be brewed by men with grain. Whose gonna do it? You? You, Stuster? We have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for extract beers, and you curse the all-grain brewers. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what we know. That extract beers, while tragic, are a waste of yeast. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves beers. You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want All-Grain beer, you need All-Grain beer. We use words like sparge, mash, & efficiency. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who drinks the very beer I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a mash tun & a sack of grain, and brew real beer. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you of All-Grain brewers!
Cheers
Gerard


Yes that was a bit of a piss-take!

Bwaahhaahhaahhaa :lol:

Nice job G :beerbang:

 

[petesbrew]

Bwaahhaahhaahhaa :lol:

Nice job G :beerbang:

Classic work indeed, Gerard!

 

[jlm]

I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who drinks the very beer I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it.

Oh man, I love that line...... I wanna use it as my signature. If I do it Gerard, I'll quote ya.....

 

[SpillsMostOfIt]

So, will Gerard_M now be changing his nick to Aaron Sorkin?

 

[davewalk]

Yes, that's a good point too - extract beer tastes like shit. Tell me your extract beer tastes better than a commercial beer and I'll show you someone with tastebuds in his arse.

So by your logic the best K&K is still not as good as Southwark & Westend. Please tell me your comment was an over reaction bought on by drinking too much AG.
These beers(?) are brewed using traditional Adelaide backwater!

 

[Hargie]

....AG = building furniture from scratch....kit beer = ikea....

 

[domonsura]

"You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want All-Grain beer, you need All-Grain beer. We use words like sparge, mash, & efficiency. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who drinks the very beer I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it."


Man, you should be a writer...:lol: Or a PM. Or in the very least a speechwriter

 

[microbe]

Man, you should be a writer...:lol: Or a PM. Or in the very least a speechwriter

That's stretching it. It reminds me of a tirade in a movie. B)

Cheers,

microbe

 

[braufrau]

However, take away a good all grain brewer's mash tun and give them malt extract, speciality grain and all the other things they would normally use and they'll be able to make really really fantastic beer.

Yeah ... my brewing made a huge jump with my first extract beer (as opposed to kit). I make partials with about 4kg of grain in a brew now but nothing has been as significant as that first jump to malt/specialty grain/hops.

 

[Trent]

Braufrau
Partials with 4kg of grain? Why not leave out the extract and make some AG bitters, dry stouts or (god forbid) berliners? Low alcohol APA's , light wheat beers, etc... You should be able to hit 1040 in 21L or so with 4kg of grain, then you will be able to say for sure if all grain is any better than extract. If it isnt any better to your tastes, then just keep on adding the DME.
t.

 

[hairofthedog]

I suggest you pick up a mash tun & a sack of grain, and brew real beer

well said Gerald well said

 

[GMK]

OK - I willwade into this debate... Here goes.

Whilst a member of the Cnaberra Brewers 2000-2003 - i did Kits & Bits - went to a meeting and tasted my first AG...
Some of their AG Beers were Exceptional....felt like tossing my beers down the sink.

However, i learnt alot and played/experimented and in 2001 & 2002 my K& B took places in the ACT State Championships and the Nationals (2 x 2nd, 2 x 3rd, 2 x 6th and 2 x 9th over the 2 years.)
Made teh best kit beer in ACT and the third best in the country.

Started building my AG Gear up sure the costs are a bit high - but you can go AG cheaply - mainly for the following reasons:
- cheaper tahn K&B
- more recipes you can do
- more control you have

Did my 1st AG in the Barossa 2004 in front of 15 people - Batz will remeber.
Culminated in 2007 with Best Mash Beer at the SABSOSA.

So Basically, i do it all - Brew AG at least once a month and K&B when i dont have the time.

I have a motto....

"You brew the best beer you can with teh equipment you have at the level you want to go to...After all, at the end of the day you brew for you..your the one that drinks most of it."

There are no better brewers...just different brewers.

Just rejoice in the fact that you at home with the Family making beer that you are happy to drink...
so relax and pour another home brew...

 

[Kai]

I thought your motto was "Making beer is not WORK... ....it's personal expression by creating Living ART!", kenny?

 

[tangent]

So by your logic the best K&K is still not as good as Southwark & Westend. Please tell me your comment was an over reaction bought on by drinking too much AG.

OK i'll bite. Shit yeah, VB, definitely Worst End and to a degree Southwark are bad commercial beers, but i'll drink them over a K&K version of the same style anyday.

You guys like to bag commercial beers but to say an extract version is better is complete crap IMO.

If I couldn't brew AG, i'd buy Coopers beer, NEVER K&K.

 

[davewalk]

OK i'll bite. Shit yeah, VB, definitely Worst End and to a degree Southwark are bad commercial beers, but i'll drink them over a K&K version of the same style anyday.

You guys like to bag commercial beers but to say an extract version is better is complete crap IMO.

If I couldn't brew AG, i'd buy Coopers beer, NEVER K&K.

Mr Pot you should never have criticised the Kettle re it's colour, particularly as to the location of one's tastebuds.

 

[Darren]

Just to follow-up on GMK's post,

Over the years I have tasted quite a few of Kenny's beers. Like anyone (myself included) he has made some shockers too. Personally, I cannot remember any extract beer of Ken's I really enjoyed (even though there was nothing really wrong with them). His beer have improved immensely since malted barley has been the major form of sugar.

The truth is........Grain shits all over extract and particularly kit.

cheers

Darren

 

[tangent]

sure they're bad beers, but i can't detect any extract twang.

 

[bonj]

Here's another analogy for you (as if you needed anymore):

Kits are like Windows, AG is like Linux.

I have no idea where OSX fits in here, but as it's built on a decent underlying kernel, I'm guessing it can be either.