Style Of The Week 26/7/06 - Dunkelweizen

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This week it's the dark wheat beers, Dunkelweizen, style 15B on the BJCP guidelines.

There have been a few threads on this, so you can have a click here, or here, or here for the wisdom of the ages.

So what advice can all those who have brewed this style give us? Recipes, grains, tins, hops, importantly the yeast, commercial versions to try etc etc?

So let's brew better beer. :D

15B. Dunkelweizen

Aroma: Moderate to strong phenols (usually clove) and fruity esters (usually banana). The balance and intensity of the phenol and ester components can vary but the best examples are reasonably balanced and fairly prominent. Optionally, a low to moderate vanilla character and/or low bubblegum notes may be present, but should not dominate. Noble hop character ranges from low to none. A light to moderate wheat aroma (which might be perceived as bready or grainy) may be present and is often accompanied by a caramel, bread crust, or richer malt aroma (e.g., from Vienna and/or Munich malt). Any malt character is supportive and does not overpower the yeast character. No diacetyl or DMS. A light tartness is optional but acceptable.

Appearance: Light copper to mahogany brown in color. A very thick, moussy, long-lasting off-white head is characteristic. The high protein content of wheat impairs clarity in this traditionally unfiltered style, although the level of haze is somewhat variable. The suspended yeast sediment (which should be roused before drinking) also contributes to the cloudiness.

Flavor: Low to moderately strong banana and clove flavor. The balance and intensity of the phenol and ester components can vary but the best examples are reasonably balanced and fairly prominent. Optionally, a very light to moderate vanilla character and/or low bubblegum notes can accentuate the banana flavor, sweetness and roundness; neither should be dominant if present. The soft, somewhat bready or grainy flavor of wheat is complementary, as is a richer caramel and/or melanoidin character from Munich and/or Vienna malt. The malty richness can be low to medium-high, but shouldn't overpower the yeast character. A roasted malt character is inappropriate. Hop flavor is very low to none, and hop bitterness is very low to low. A tart, citrusy character from yeast and high carbonation is sometimes present, but typically muted. Well rounded, flavorful, often somewhat sweet palate with a relatively dry finish. No diacetyl or DMS.

Mouthfeel: Medium-light to medium-full body. The texture of wheat as well as yeast in suspension imparts the sensation of a fluffy, creamy fullness that may progress to a lighter finish, aided by moderate to high carbonation. The presence of Munich and/or Vienna malts also provide an additional sense of richness and fullness. Effervescent.

Overall Impression: A moderately dark, spicy, fruity, malty, refreshing wheat-based ale. Reflecting the best yeast and wheat character of a hefe-weizen blended with the malty richness of a Munich dunkel.

History: Old-fashioned Bavarian wheat beer was often dark. In the 1950s and 1960s, wheat beers did not have a youthful image, since most older people drank them for their health-giving qualities. Today, the lighter hefe-weizen is more common.

Comments: The presence of Munich and/or Vienna-type barley malts gives this style a deep, rich barley malt character not found in a hefe-weizen. Bottles with yeast are traditionally swirled or gently rolled prior to serving.

Ingredients: By German law, at least 50% of the grist must be malted wheat, although some versions use up to 70%; the remainder is usually Munich and/or Vienna malt. A traditional decoction mash gives the appropriate body without cloying sweetness. Weizen ale yeasts produce the typical spicy and fruity character, although extreme fermentation temperatures can affect the balance and produce off-flavors. A small amount of noble hops are used only for bitterness.
Vital Statistics:
OG FG IBUs SRM ABV
1.044 - 1.056 1.010 - 1.014 10 - 18 14 - 23 4.3 - 5.6%

Commercial Examples: Franziskaner Dunkel Hefe-Weisse, Hacker-Pschorr Weisse Dark, Tucher Dunkles Hefe Weizen, Ayinger Ur-Weisse, Brooklyner Dunkel-Weisse
 
60% Weyermann Wheat
40% Weyerman Munich
mash in 35C
heat to 50C over 15 min
1st decoction: 20 min rest @ 70C, 20 min boil
rest: 20 min @ 64C
2nd decoction as per 1st.
rest: 20 min @ 70C
raise temp to 75C over 10 min
sparge very slowly
2 hour boil
Hersbrucker @ 60 min to 15 IBU
3068 yeast
 
I can vouch for tasting Dr's beers, so I'd be writing that down brewers!
No sh!t, this bloke brews some excellent beer. <_< jealousy
 
Dr Gonzo is a man of few words, but his Weizens approach legendary amounts of grin factor :) :)

Here's hoping one or two of these dark little beauties make it to the Adelaide Brewers in Winemakers next Tuesday :beer:
 
i'm thinking of buying a square metre of land......
just in front of his fridge!
 
Stuster an idea for these to get all level of brewers interested would be to find a kit recipe, partial recipe and AG recipe.
 
DC, I have in a way. The links in my original post are to earlier threads. The first one is mainly AG. In the second one Weizguy suggests how to do a kit based Dunkelweizen and a partial recipe. The third has AG and partial stuff in.

The only commercial version of this style I have had was a Weihenstephaner Hefeweissbier Dunkel. I'm not sure if it's a good example of the style but personally I'm not sure if I really like the wheat beer esters with dark malt deal. It was ok but I wouldn't be rushing out to make it. Any other examples to convert me? :rolleyes:
 
I'm heading to the Lowenbrau at the Rocks in Sydney on Saturday night. Are there any examples there I can try?
 
Never actually tried one. But after reading about them they do sound very tasty....but then again its beer oclock and I'll drink anything at the moment. :p
The third link to cubbies partial recipes looks very inviting.
Cheers
Steve
 
Hofbrau is ok.
Erdinger is ok.
Weinstephaner is ok.
Schneider weisse rocks. They call it a hefe, but it seems dark enough to be a dunkel to me.
Aventinus (schneider) is the best beer on earth, but is a dunkelweisenbock (8% alc).
 
Ahh.

I made a keg of Raspberry Dunkel for a small party we had....


It lasted all of 45 minutes.




My favorite style.
 
Last week I tried Franziskaner Hefe-Weisse Dunkel on draught and it was really outstanding.
I certainly think this is a beer I will attempt to clone in the future.

C&B
TDA
 
I love weizen!

Just sampling my first AG...a hefeweizen. Sort of dark, Promash says its 11.1 SRM, not quite dark enough to be called dunkel.

Being new to AG, I used a single infusion mash with a slow sparge.

50% Weyermann wheat

41.7% Weyermann pilsener

8.3% Caramunich

IBU 17 with Hallertau hops additions at 80min and 15min.

Liked it so much, I'm into the final hour of my second go at this recipe as I type!

Edit: My favourite...Paulaner Weissbier Dunkel ($AUD1.70 per litre in Germany)
 
I'm with TDA
On one of the VERY rare times I venture to Sydney, my mate dragged me to the Bavarian Beer Bar at the Manly ferry wharf, where we indulged in the Franziskaner hefe-weisse, pale and Dunkel. Not cheap there, by any stretch of the imagination, but it was definitely a tasty drop. Would recommend trying that one for sure Stuster
All the best
Trent
 
I love the style!
Have had three cracks at. All nice, but I couldn't get the bananna I was looking for. Anyone got tips on this? (I used wlp300 each time)

I have heard that less aeration of wort and even slightly underpitching yeast helps with this, but wasn't game to try as it just didn't feel right <_<
 
jimi

I used the yeast recultured from a bottle of Hofbrau Munchner Kindl Hefeweizen. Managed to get the right flavours with it. Tried the Paulaner, but it failed.

Or you could try the Wyeast Weihenstephan, I think.
 
wlp300 was apparently used in the JS hefe, though I never tried it. Did anyone try this beer and how did it rate in the Bananna side of things?

WJ- Thanks mate I'll keep that yeast in mind for my next shot at a Dunkelweizen
 
I can vouch for tasting Dr's beers, so I'd be writing that down brewers!
No sh!t, this bloke brews some excellent beer. <_< jealousy


Yes, his wheats have ALL the attributes a good wheat should have. His APA isn't a bad drop too.

cheers

Darren
 
Jimi,
Can't vouch for the white labs yeasts, as iv'e never tried them.
As for the wyeast:
3333 is a great yeast, but no real banana esters. Very tart though.
3068 gives a good balance of banana & clove,
but the 3638 is the go if banana is what you're after.
Most beers i have made with 3638 have ended up too much banana for my liking.
 
wlp300 was apparently used in the JS hefe, though I never tried it. Did anyone try this beer and how did it rate in the Bananna side of things?
Was there only one wheat beer made by JS? The one I tasted had more clove than banana. I'm guessing due to lower fermentation temps but I may be wrong here.

My understanding is lower ferm = clove, higher ferm = banana. Not sure where the happy medium would be along the temperature range if you like a bit of both. I made a few nice wheats using the WL Hefe yeast a few years back. From memory I fermented at 20-22C. And the flavours weren't too overpowering.

If I am wrong then disregard everything above B)
 

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