RecipeDB - Lord Nelson Citra Cascading out of this Galaxy Pale Ale

[Lord Raja Goomba I]

Post a picture on this topic - if anyone else reads through it, they'll get an idea of how this works as an extract beer, as well as being a good tasting topic.

Goomba

 

[Truman42]

Is Pale Malt Bairds the same as Bairds Malted Oats sold at G&G and Ale-Perle Malt sold at CB?

Are they all the same thing?

 

[Lord Raja Goomba I]

Ale - Perle.

There's also a Thomas Fawcett Floor Malted version which isn't quite as clean, and I find seems to tend towards a slightly oily texture.

Goomba

 

[dkaos]

Hey Goomba,
How come the mash temp was so high? Wouldn't it make a very thin beer at this temp?

Cheers,

Clint

 

[bignath]

Hey Goomba,
How come the mash temp was so high? Wouldn't it make a very thin beer at this temp?

Cheers,

Clint

other way round.. higher the mash temp, higher the finishing gravity (all other things being equal) therefore resulting in a fuller beer.

lower the mash temp, lower the finishing gravity giving a drier, thinner beer.

 

[Lord Raja Goomba I]

other way round.. higher the mash temp, higher the finishing gravity (all other things being equal) therefore resulting in a fuller beer.

lower the mash temp, lower the finishing gravity giving a drier, thinner beer.

+1

Mashing higher means less fermentable sugar, mashing lower means lots of fermentable sugar (therefore thinner, well attenuated beer).

The higher mash temp is a by-product of my first APA being 7% and thoroughly quaffable, but utterly un-sessionable.

A bit like Little Creatures SB DIPA

So I've been playing around for the last year or so with the mash temp to reduce abv% to a sessionable level, without sacrificing flavour or balance. It's a constant tweaking.

This beer ended up around 4.8%, and my eventual goal is to produce a 4-4.5% beer that has people saying "this doesn't taste mid-strength".

Same with my 3.5%, which I managed to achieve with it already.

Goomba

 

[Bada Bing Brewery]

Drinking this now and it is a beauty. Very nice and smooth, hoppy but not overpowering. I went with GP, caramunich 1 and a dash of wheat. Really happy with it and will do again. Cascade is the unsung hero of hops - it plays so well with the other kids .....
Cheers Chris = It got 5 stars from me.
BBB

 

[ploto]

Poured the first glass of my extract version today after 7 days in the bottle. still a wee bit fresh but probably the most drinkable week-old beer I've made. There was a reasonable head on it when poured but had dropped by the time I found the camera.



The can of wheat extract gives it a fair bit of tartness, which I find quite refreshing, and seems to balance with the bitterness, which is strong but not harsh - the missus didn't raise any objections and she is not a fan of strong beers. The citra seems to be the dominant hop flavour and the taste is quite fruity, without being lolly fruity if you know what I mean.

If I did this again I would probably drop the can of wheat extract in favour of 500g of dry wheat extract as I suspect it may be too tart for some. Regardless I'm enjoyig it and looking forward to gettig stuck into it over the next few weeks. Thanks for all your help Goomba :icon_cheers:

 

[Truman42]

My apologies to those who've posted questions and I've not realised (not been on AHB/topic disappeared too quick). If you have any qu that you want to place in this topic, please feel free to PM me to alert me and I'll share with all to ensure that the knowledge is out there.

This proportion of ingredients is my basic house APA, and it allows me to tweak.

@4 eyes - absolutely okay to do it this way. The recipe alteration I'm posting below omits Nelson Sauvin and has a change in spec malts (but very yummy)

@fear_n_loath - the main reason for the shorter boil times is that I do want some fruitiness out of my hops. A 60 minute boil will give the required bitterness, but this being an APA, means I really want a hoppy, fruit drive aroma and palate, whilst not overdoing the bitterness. So I go with 30 minutes to add mostly bitterness and a little flavour and a big whack at 10 for the flavour I want.

APA Sans Nelson

Batch size: 23L

Original Gravity (OG): 1.053 (P): 13.1
Final Gravity (FG): 1.013 (P): 3.3
Alcohol (ABV): 5.21 %
Colour (SRM): 10.2 (EBC): 20.1
Bitterness (IBU): 30.4 (Average)

5kg (90.91%) Perle Malt Bairds
.3kg (5.45%) Wheat, Red Briess
.2kg (3.64%) Crystal, Heritage

10g (0.4 g/L) Galaxy (14.3% Alpha) @ 30 Minutes (Boil)
25g (1.1 g/L) Cascade (5.5% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil)
20g (0.9 g/L) Citra (14.1% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil)
10g (0.4 g/L) Galaxy (14.3% Alpha) @ 10 Minutes (Boil)

Yeast: US-05

Dry hopped in Keg:

20g Citra
30g Cascade
Single step Infusion at 71C for 60 Minutes. Boil for 60 Minutes

Fermented at 20C with Safale US-05

I just opened a bottle of this version after only 3 days in the bottle and it was bloody fantastic. The missus and I both enjoyed it. Cant wait for a couple of weeks to see how much better it becomes.

Ive got 29 stubbies of this which are all going into my stockpile for our family xmas party on boxing day, so Im pleased its something thats very drinkable that our family members will love.

 

[mckenry]

Ive got 29 stubbies of this which are all going into my stockpile for our family xmas party on boxing day, so Im pleased its something thats very drinkable that our family members will love.

Nothing better than family appreciating your beer. Especially at Christmas. You'll have a smile all day :icon_chickcheers: (and hopefully get lucky B) if the mrs likes it too )

 

[Lord Raja Goomba I]

Thanks for all the positive feedback (and PMs of thanks).

The low abv% version of this is starting to dry well enough - not the same, not as hoppy.

The big thing with the full abv% version of this is that it's balanced, hoppy, but not fruitsalad nasty - it doesn't taste like beer lolly water, which is always a risk if you don't balance you beer right.

Crystal does work well - but don't overdo it!

Goomba

 

[Truman42]

Nothing better than family appreciating your beer. Especially at Christmas. You'll have a smile all day :icon_chickcheers: (and hopefully get lucky B) if the mrs likes it too )

I usually get lucky even without the aid of great home brew...

I've also got a Black IPA to bottle and an American Steam beer to brew that I'm serving on Xmas day so plenty of variety for everyones tastes.

Ive done some labels up "Shallas Pale Ale" (The wifes name) and "Trumans black IPA", which the missus is really excited about serving our home brew with nice labels. :icon_cheers:

 

[mckenry]

I usually get lucky even without the aid of great home brew...

I've also got a Black IPA to bottle and an American Steam beer to brew that I'm serving on Xmas day so plenty of variety for everyones tastes.

Ive done some labels up "Shallas Pale Ale" (The wifes name) and "Trumans black IPA", which the missus is really excited about serving our home brew with nice labels. :icon_cheers:

Show us your labels or it didnt happen !

Shalla or Shallas ? What kind of name is that? Absolutely no offence intended. Hard to get that across on the net. Genuinely interested.

 

[Truman42]

Show us your labels or it didnt happen !

Shalla or Shallas ? What kind of name is that? Absolutely no offence intended. Hard to get that across on the net. Genuinely interested.

There on my computer at home so will post them when I get home tonight.

Its "Shalla" and the beer is actually "Shalla Pale Ale" The S was a typo.

Her folks are from Mauritius. I love her name, one of the first things that attracted me to her because its different.

 

[Lord Raja Goomba I]

Dude that is a noble comment.

What did she like about the beer so much to put her name on it?

 

[Truman42]

Dude that is a noble comment.

What did she like about the beer so much to put her name on it?

Firstly because we brewed it..

Secondly because she likes the idea of seeing her name on the labels for the rellies to drink. (She has a big family so 30 people will be there on the day) (Woman can be so vain even when its not fashion related.. )

But most importantly she likes the passion fruit and citrus flavours from the Galaxy and Citra hops.

Its funny though she used to only like the Pale Ales, but since Ive started HB and we have visited a lot of micro breweries, she's now enjoying many of the darker beers like the black IPA, Porters, scotch ales all that sort of thing.

Just goes to show that what many of these micro breweries do with these classic styles is making them more popular with the usual standard ale drinkers.

Its a good feeling when you manage to convert someone across to something you've always enjoyed, like when you finally get your kids to try a curry you've made and they actually like it.

 

[Truman42]

Show us your labels or it didnt happen !

Shalla or Shallas ? What kind of name is that? Absolutely no offence intended. Hard to get that across on the net. Genuinely interested.

Here you go. I did them in labely.com. Simple design, but your limited to only 5 text fields and you cant make the text wrap etc. I have photoshop so hope to revamp them on there one day.

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[mckenry]

Here you go. I did them in labely.com. Simple design, but your limited to only 5 text fields and you cant make the text wrap etc. I have photoshop so hope to revamp them on there one day.

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Nice. Understated. I like them.

 

[Truman42]

Heres a pic of my BIAB efforts of this beer. I cold conditioned for 10 days and used gelatine 2 days before bottling.

These two little beauties were polished off by the wife and I shortly after this photo was taken and we thoroughly enjoyed them.

Cheers

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[Lord Raja Goomba I]

Look fantastic.

Yours are clearer than mine ever were - I'm usually too lazy to use gelatin, though I have for the current low abv%, sans Nelson version (though, I would think that the current version is more akin to an English Pale Ale with an American twist, rather than anything akin to the original).

Goomba