RecipeDB - Bullshead Motueka Saison

[Tony]

Bullshead Motueka Saison

Ale - American Amber Ale
All Grain

Brewer's Notes

I was asked about the use of aggressive American hops and melanoiden malt in a saison. I kind of backed up on the idea but thought it would be worth testing the idea..... to a point.
I used Vienna malt as a base and hopped with B Saaz flowers. I also split the batch and fermented half with 3711 french saison and half with 3726 farmhouse ale. When i tasted them, french was bland and FHA was over fruity so i dumped them both in a keg together unfiltered and carbed it.
Well if i didn't create some amazing, i will be damned!
hops are perfectly balanced to a strong but subtle malt backbone, and a yeast complexity that i doubt i will ever reproduce brings tears to the eyes! One of my best ever!
0 min hops are cube hopped. I split 15g into 2 x 17L cubes.

Malt & Fermentables

%	KG	Fermentable
	3 kg	Weyermann Vienna
	2 kg	Weyermann Pilsner
	1 kg	Weyermann Pale Wheat

Hops

Time	Grams	Variety	Form	AA
	30 g	Saaz B (NZ) (pellet, 8.0AA%, 40mins)
	30 g	Saaz B (NZ) (pellet, 8.0AA%, 15mins)
	30 g	Saaz B (NZ) (pellet, 8.0AA%, 0mins)

34L Batch Size

Brew Details

• Original Gravity 1.042 (calc)
• Final Gravity 1.013 (calc)
• Bitterness 26.2 IBU
• Efficiency 75%
• Alcohol 3.75%
• Colour 8 EBC
• Batch Size 34L

Fermentation

• Primary 14 days
• Conditioning 2 days

 

[Tony]

this is the beer...... no chilled with cube hops flowers, dumped from primary ferment into a keg and carbed up.

amazing beer!

malt flavor and aroma,, yeast character kicks in and then you get B Saaz in the nose ........ :icon_drool2:

 

[r055c0]

Wow. Brewing woody, right here.

Boiling up my first ever saison tonight, if it looks 1/4 as good as that I will be doing cartwheels all up and down the brew shed.

 

[Rodfa]

This could be the next one for me. Rain for the next week so not much else to do but brew beer.

 

[Camo1234]

Tony, any chance you could post the recipe seeing as the database is down?

 

[DarkFaerytale]

second that, while the weather is still warm

 

[doon]

guessing it would be his usual grain bill that he uses in saisons

Pilsner, wheat, acidulated. Last time i brewed it i used 90%/10%/2% cant comment on his hop schedule for this particular brew

 

[DarkFaerytale]

pretty much waht i was going for doon, - the acidulated

 

[Lurks]

Another request for the recipe, it just happens that I'm interested in a Saison and Motueka is my latest hop fixation.

 

[timmi9191]

Bump - I'd love this recipe also..

 

[joshF]

Bump! Please

 

[beerdrinkingbob]

guessing it would be his usual grain bill that he uses in saisons

Pilsner, wheat, acidulated. Last time i brewed it i used 90%/10%/2% cant comment on his hop schedule for this particular brew

Omg I have so much to learn about brewing, I still haven't managed to get 102% in a grain bill h34r:

jI would just send Tony a PM and tell him about the thread, he's still posts at least a few times a week.

 

[Tony]

Hey folks.

I will try and remember to dig this out of promash tonight when im home. I dont have it on my work computer.

If i forget, PM me! Its my wifes birthday today but i should get to it for you all.

It was a sen-saison-al beer

I think i may have changed the recipe for this one and used vienna as the base, and i know i used hops in the cube.

 

[joshF]

Woohoo, cheers Tony.

Having never had a saison before or knowing anything about them, the picture above made me instantly wanna make one :beerbang:

Now just need to wriggle my way out of any saturday commitments, lunches, shopping etc with the Mrs so i can do me some brewin !!!

 

[Tony]

just remember.......... the recipe does not always make the beer great.

It just helps

 

[mckenry]

just remember.......... the recipe does not always make the beer great.

It just helps

Post up the mash schedule too please. Dont like saying this to guys..... Nice head.

 

[joshF]

Also Tony did you keg the saison and if so, what co2 levels as the pic looks pretty carbed. I've had a good look in the forums but can't find any information or 'range' of co2 for saisons other than standard belgian ales?

cheers!

 

[Tony]

Here it is folks.

flame out hops were put in the cubez. I split them in half and filled 2 x 17L cubes

I kegged it and usually gas my Saison a bit higher than normal. Somewhere between a regular lager and a weizen. About 3 volumes i guess.......... you want it nice and spritzy to hold up the dry acidity and make it super thirst quenching.


Vienna Saison

A ProMash Recipe Report

BJCP Style and Style Guidelines
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16-C Belgian & French Ale, Saison

Min OG: 1.048 Max OG: 1.080
Min IBU: 25 Max IBU: 45
Min Clr: 10 Max Clr: 24 Color in EBC

Recipe Specifics
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Batch Size (L): 34.00 Wort Size (L): 34.00
Total Grain (kg): 6.00
Anticipated OG: 1.042 Plato: 10.47
Anticipated EBC: 7.7
Anticipated IBU: 26.6
Brewhouse Efficiency: 75 %
Wort Boil Time: 60 Minutes


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential EBC
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
50.0 3.00 kg. Weyermann Vienna Germany 1.038 7
33.3 2.00 kg. Weyermann Pilsner Germany 1.038 4
16.7 1.00 kg. JWM Wheat Malt Australia 1.038 4

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
30.00 g. B-Saaz Whole 8.10 17.0 40 min.
30.00 g. B-Saaz Whole 8.10 9.6 15 min.
30.00 g. B-Saaz Whole 8.10 0.0 0 min.


Yeast
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Your favorite Saison yeast. I like FHA if you have it, but 3724 is awesome!


Mash Schedule
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Mash Name:

Total Grain kg: 6.00



Step Rest Start Stop Heat Infuse Infuse Infuse
Step Name Time Time Temp Temp Type Temp Amount Ratio
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
protein 2 10 52 51 Infuse 58 12.00 2.00
low mash 2 45 64 63 Infuse 99 5.53 2.92
hi mash 5 15 71 71 Infuse 99 5.50 3.84

 

[joshF]

Thanks heaps for posting that Tony. Hoping i can sub the Vienna with JW light Munich as I can't get the Vienna at my LHBS

 

[Tony]

Use 2kg of the JW munich and 3KG of pilsner