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Grainer

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Hello All,

Now I have been costing 2 setups..and I turn to the beer gods out there for advice ...

1. Braumeister

Braumeister 20L $2500


Silicone Hose - Heavy Duty (ID 12.7mm)

SILHOSEMM

15.95

http://www.craftbrewer.com.au/shop/details.asp?PID=812

Silicone Hose - Heavy Duty (ID 12.7mm)

SILHOSEMM

15.95

http://www.craftbrewer.com.au/shop/details.asp?PID=812


ChillOut MKIII - 30 Plate



129.95

http://www.mashmaster.com.au/p/1141466/chillout-mkiii---30-plate.html

Total Cost= Approx $2700

OR ....

2. HERMS 3V System - Although I am sure I have missed some things out...



3V Set up





Description

Code

Price

HLT





Stainless Steel Pot

KETTLE100L

229

Tri-Clover sanitary 3 piece ball valves

BALVAL1/2SS3PS

49

Chiller Stainless Steel Coil 50' x 3/8"



179

Sight Gauge Adaptor Stainless Steel

BEQSIGAUAS

15

Sight Gauge Adaptor Stainless Steel

BEQSIGAUAS

15

Sight Gauge 16inch

BEQSIGAU16

39

Bi-Metal Thermometer Weldless (3" Dial - Long Stem)

THERMWELDBIM3INCH

42.9

Silicone Hose - Heavy Duty (ID 12.7mm)

SILHOSEMM

15.95

Silicone Hose - Heavy Duty (ID 12.7mm)

SILHOSEMM

15.95

Silicone Hose - Heavy Duty (ID 12.7mm)

SILHOSEMM

15.95

BALVAL1/2SS3P

BALVAL1/2SS3P

21.95

BALVAL1/2SS3P

BALVAL1/2SS3P

21.95

Burner - Mongolian 32 jet LPG



110

Kit for mongolian burner





Mash





Stainless Steel Pot

KETTLE100L

229

Hop Grain Blocker

MESHTUBE

24.95

Tri-Clover sanitary 3 piece ball valves

BALVAL1/2SS3PS

49

Sight Gauge Adaptor Stainless Steel

BEQSIGAUAS

15

Sight Gauge Adaptor Stainless Steel

BEQSIGAUAS

15

Sight Gauge 16inch

BEQSIGAU16

39

Bi-Metal Thermometer Weldless (3" Dial - Long Stem)

THERMWELDBIM3INCH

42.9

Silicone Hose - Heavy Duty (ID 12.7mm)

SILHOSEMM

15.95

Silicone Hose - Heavy Duty (ID 12.7mm)

SILHOSEMM

15.95

Kettle





Hop Sock

HOPSOCKSEF250ML

19.95

Tri-Clover sanitary 3 piece ball valves

BALVAL1/2SS3PS

49

Sight Gauge Adaptor Stainless Steel

BEQSIGAUAS

15

Sight Gauge Adaptor Stainless Steel

BEQSIGAUAS

15

Sight Gauge 16inch

BEQSIGAU16

39

Bi-Metal Thermometer Weldless (3" Dial - Long Stem)

THERMWELDBIM3INCH

42.9

Silicone Hose - Heavy Duty (ID 12.7mm)

SILHOSEMM

15.95

Silicone Hose - Heavy Duty (ID 12.7mm)

SILHOSEMM

15.95

Burner - Mongolian 32 jet LPG





Kit for mongolian burner





Stainless Steel Pot

KETTLE100L

229

Accessories





Stainless Steel Pot

KETTLE100L

229

MARCHPUMP

MARCHPUMP

269

MARCHPUMP

MARCHPUMP

269

ChillOut MKIII - 30 Plate



129.95

Delivery from Craft Brewer



140







Total



2696.1

Total Cost of build Approx $2700 plus plumbing I missed, $300 Plus build of table (own my own mig welder) in steel

Build cost Approx $3300???? Maybe I can find some items cheaper... ? but these are ball part figures ..

So now I turn to the beer gods and ask .. what should I do ??? Braumeister or 3V .....

I hate making these decisions.... Plus I would need to turn to someone to help with the build if I went down that direction ..

Thanks

Grainer
 

Grainer

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Gryphon Brewing said:
Shop around for better prices would be my recommendation.
Hint Hint
Nev
What could you do on it? PM me.
 

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If you are starting off with around $3000.00, I would seriously consider Biab.
Exposed element Crown Urn - $250.00
Bag - $25.00
Mash paddle - $10.00
Roasting rack - $16.00
Pulley system - $30.00
Digital thermometer - $20.00
Hop / Grain bag - $6.00
No chill cube - $17.00
Total - $374.00, from $3000.00 = $2626.00 left over.

$2626.00 will get you a freakin awesome keg setup, all the gear you need to do yeast starters if you wish & a shit load of ingredients to make beer.
 

Cocko

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What size batches do you wanna make?

Seems your BM is 20L or single batch and your 3v is 100L being triple batch? [Maybe even squeeze a quad]

Seriously, it is not a reasonable comparison, due to you not comparing - use, volume, room you have etc....



BTW: 3v FTW :p
 

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Total cost of my 3V must be under $350 inclusive of elements and pumps.. No question I love being both out of the kitchen and having the ability to step mash easily...

Build a rig to suit you, if something goes wrong you know how to fix it.. BM? = Bollox Monster (for me)
 

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What do you brew on now?
 

Grainer

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tavas said:
What do you brew on now?
kits.. hence the upgrade LOL

Looking at double batches...
 

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Was contemplating the same thing 8 months ago. Was just about to pull the trigger on a Braumeister when Nev saved me .....
Hermit - 3V - fraction of the cost and all the benefits of a BM (computerised step mashing)
Can build it as flash or as cheap as you want. I've got a 70L ss pot for boiling, used my old ali 50L biab pot for HLT, and a plastic fermenter for mash tun.
Cheers
BBB

Ps. No affiliation with Nev, except he is my father ....
 

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Braumeister gets my vote.

It's so easy to use, and as a huge plus, cleaning everything I used to brew took about 20 minutes.
I started to build a 3 vessel system and called it quits the second I found the YouTube videos of the BM.
$2600 CAD is what mine cost and it's the best money I've ever spent.
 

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I would look at your set up and consider if you NEED all that.
I have a 3V HERMS set up using a Gryphon SS coil and love it. I use a Keggle boiler and a Big W SS pot as a HLT.
You said you wanted to go AG and do double batches and the 20L BM cant do that, you need the 50L and 15A power. I like to play with my setup and change things as needed as someone else said if the BM fails its going to cost a small fortune to fix.

PID controled HERMS is just as good!
 

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put it simply - if you like to build stuff then make a 3V as it would be a great adventure....... but if you'd like to start brewiing right away, get a BM. its ready to go, but beware it has its limitations like every system does.

you will need a 50L for double batches as mentioned above.
 

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Not sure if its legal but I got some old kegs from the transfer station, gave the bloke there $20 for three of them. That should save you a few bob if your going to go with a 3v system.

Also home made beer from your own home made brewey, sounds like the way to go to me.

Cheers

Luke
 

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Build your own BM clone, between $500 - $1000 depending on how fancy you want to go with pump and controller.

Luke
 

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lmccrone said:
Not sure if its legal but I got some old kegs from the transfer station, gave the bloke there $20 for three of them. That should save you a few bob if your going to go with a 3v system.

Also home made beer from your own home made brewey, sounds like the way to go to me.

Cheers

Luke
I contacted CUB and yes it is illegal.. they said they would prosecute anyone caught selling them but not bother about people that have modified kegs cause they are useless to them...and too much trouble to follow up...
 

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So basically you can steal kegs cut top out and your in the clear sweet!
 

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