Malcolm Roberts... oh my goodness gracious!

[Liam_snorkel]

that's what the lizard people want you to think h34r:

 

[MHB]

Is this the guy who wanted an enquiry into the CSIRO, because they keep saying climate change is real, in spite of the absence of empirical evidence.
Strikes me as a shoot the messenger, if they don't bring you the answers you like response - where the hell does he think empirical evidence comes from?
Not from climate scientists clearly.
Mark

 

[Dave70]

The thing with conspiracy ideation is that it rapidly becomes self referential and self re-enforcing. Any evidence that the conspiracy is in fact bollocks is rejected as being part of the conspiracy. Once you are into a conspiracy thinking mode it becomes very hard to get out and very easy to go deeper. It's actually a very small step for a conspiracy thinker to go from "global warming is a bit sus" to "the royal family are shapeshifting lizard aliens farming humans for food" and "there are secret Nazi bases under Antarctica where the Reich keeps the crop reserved body of Hitler ready to emerge again and global warming is a Jewish plot to expose the base".

That's why so many conspiracy nuts are into more than one conspiracy. As they "dig deeper" (follow the money trail as our dear Mr Roberts puts it) they uncover more and more conspiracies that all become part of one giant global conspiracy and it just snowballs from there.

In many ways conspiracy thinking is very similar to OCD. Persistent thoughts drive behaviour which reinforce the thoughts which drive more behaviour and so on.

I used to work with a guy who wore an actual tinfoil hat. To work. I bet he was one of the 77.

We're pattern seeking primates two chromosomes shy of a chimp and genetically pre disposed to type one reasoning errors. Its literally in our genes. Hence nonsense will suffice over an incomplete, albeit totally plausable theory.
Just ask a new earth creationist about all that evolution rubbish.

 

[madpierre06]

Or more simply, confirmation bias.

The conspiracy theorists nutters are at the pointy end of the spectrum but the same attribute belongs to religious people (and ironically, the anti-islam, anti-halal crowd), anti-vaxxers, anti-GMO, naturopaths, homeopaths and all alt-med peddlers. Evidence is too hard so belief takes over and becomes like a cancer in the mind that resists treatment. No amount of evidence can be presented to convince someone they are wrong and in doing so, you are branded a shill.

You did forget atheists. There is just as much a refusal to believe or even consider the validity of the evidentary experience of those who in particular came to a faith from a position of non-faith.

 

[lost at sea]

Is this the guy who wanted an enquiry into the CSIRO, because they keep saying climate change is real, in spite of the absence of empirical evidence.
Strikes me as a shoot the messenger, if they don't bring you the answers you like response - where the hell does he think empirical evidence comes from?
Not from climate scientists clearly.
Mark

lets not forget he also wants an enquiry into the bureau of meteorology, those cunning weather forecasters!

nor the fact that he worked for big coal for decades....i wonder how his decsion making has been molded over the years.

 

[wide eyed and legless]

He is spot on about the weather forecasters. I don't even know why we bother paying them good money to forecast the weather there's **** all we can do about it anyway.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Yes those pesky meteorologists taking actual known measurement and telling it how it is

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

You did forget atheists. There is just as much a refusal to believe or even consider the validity of the evidentary experience of those who in particular came to a faith from a position of non-faith.

Bloody atheists. Whats with this "There is no God " ********..........Oh...wait.....hang on a second

 

[LAGERFRENZY]

He is spot on about the weather forecasters. I don't even know why we bother paying them good money to forecast the weather there's **** all we can do about it anyway.

Damned straight - I heard that some of these bastaards earn more money than train drivers only to warn us about flood events so that we may sandbag ti protect our homes. ******* elitist pinkos...

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

And that live radar map thing on the interweb showing where the storms and rain are so people can prepare

How very dare they

 

[Vini2ton]

I bet Noah was thankful that he had the hotline. Most of those old Jewish weather-forcasters went on to become world bankers and invented the myth about climate change. Not alot of people know that.

 

[wide eyed and legless]

Damned straight - I heard that some of these bastaards earn more money than train drivers only to warn us about flood events so that we may sandbag ti protect our homes. ******* elitist pinkos...

And that live radar map thing on the interweb showing where the storms and rain are so people can prepare

How very dare they

That's the whole point no-one does prepare, the sand bags come out when its to late, same with climate change by the time anyone starts to prepare its to late.

 

[Liam_snorkel]

You did forget atheists. There is just as much a refusal to believe or even consider the validity of the evidentary experience of those who in particular came to a faith from a position of non-faith.

haha. sadly subjective experience doesn't count as evidence. The brain is a wonderful thing, though, and delusions are as real as concrete to those who experience them. Did you know that our entire perceived reality is around 80ms delayed, as in, everything that you touch see smell taste & hear* are fabricated in the brain based on correlated past experience? How cool is that.

*hearing is almost direct, but the brain delays it to sync with our other senses.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

I blame it all on over paid train drivers

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

haha. sadly subjective experience doesn't count as evidence. The brain is a wonderful thing, though, and delusions are as real as concrete to those who experience them. Did you know that our entire perceived reality is around 80ms delayed, as in, everything that you touch see smell taste & hear* are fabricated in the brain based on correlated past experience? How cool is that.

*hearing is almost direct, but the brain delays it to sync with our other senses.

Except after Eleventy beers.

Then the concrete is hard and you cant even perceive reality well after 80ms

 

[Vini2ton]

That's the whole point no-one does prepare, the sand bags come out when its to late, same with climate change by the time anyone starts to prepare its to late.

I'm preparing. I'm building a scale model of the Queen Mary (1/1) in my backyard.

 

[LAGERFRENZY]

That's the whole point no-one does prepare, the sand bags come out when its to late, same with climate change by the time anyone starts to prepare its to late.

Yes those cyclone warnings in FNQ in the past decades only saved thousands of ingrate, unwashed socialist lives (many of them suspected of driving trains or mowing lawns) whereas it was too late to save the things that matter (yachts, luxury cars, mansions, etc).

 

[Dave70]

You did forget atheists. There is just as much a refusal to believe or even consider the validity of the evidentary experience of those who in particular came to a faith from a position of non-faith.

My refusal to 'believe', I'll admit, is solely based on an obviously misguided reluctance to surrender all reason in the face of zero evidence.

 

[madpierre06]

Bloody atheists. Whats with this "There is no God " ********..........Oh...wait.....hang on a second

You haven't actually said anything there....oh wait.....yeah.

haha. sadly subjective experience doesn't count as evidence. The brain is a wonderful thing, though, and delusions are as real as concrete to those who experience them. Did you know that our entire perceived reality is around 80ms delayed, as in, everything that you touch see smell taste & hear* are fabricated in the brain based on correlated past experience? How cool is that.

*hearing is almost direct, but the brain delays it to sync with our other senses.

I'm not talking subjective experience......I'm very aware of delusions, having lived in them for the majority of my life. And in spite of my (maybe) perceived insanity, the most very real of these experiences are far from subjective or imagined. No alcohol was present during these experiences. And any hearing experiences wre in no way able to be related to past experiences. Believe or not, I do know what happened. But I go back to my original point....there is a complete unwillingness on the part of most atheists to even consider that they may be wrong...ridicule...etc....I will always be open to changing my perspective on any point of view I may have, unless someone else's experience gives me cause to reconsider....and even though I may not change my perspective, I still have to be open to having it changed. Until a concrete point of view is reached, based on evidence rather than opinion.

 

[Dave70]

haha. sadly subjective experience doesn't count as evidence. The brain is a wonderful thing, though, and delusions are as real as concrete to those who experience them. Did you know that our entire perceived reality is around 80ms delayed, as in, everything that you touch see smell taste & hear* are fabricated in the brain based on correlated past experience? How cool is that.

*hearing is almost direct, but the brain delays it to sync with our other senses.

Ha ha. You should read Sam Harris's Free Will. It will blow your mind. Apparently 300 milliseconds before you consciously realize it.