KegLand Questions and Answers

[KegLand-com-au]

Hi @KegLand-com-au -- I've got the RAPT Pill and fitted the wireless charger. I've recalibrated twice, first a simple and now a two-point, but the readings are way off. The first brew I post-fitting the Pill was 25 points low. The current brew after a two-point calibration is now sitting about 55 points high. Once the current brew is done I'll do another thorough recalibration, but any tips?

With respect to the RAPT Pill Hydrometer generally speaking it's highly accurate once you do the two point calibration process but this statement has two exceptions:
1. If you have dried up crap stock on the surface of the pill. Clearly this will effect how it's floating. Also if you dry hop and the pill is sitting in a big crust of dry hops that have floated to the top of the fermenter this will effect results too.
2. The other major thing that can effect accuracy is when you open and close the housing. As you have stated you are using the wireless charger so now that this is the case you should never ever have to open up the pill housing at all. Clearly if you open and close the housing and it's not done up to the same "tightness" or the board or battery is in a different position this can require you to re-calibrate. Sounds like this is not the issue for you as I doubt you would have opened up the case if you are using the wireless charger.

 

[KegLand-com-au]

This time it's not even a linear 55 points high, as its now about 12 points high.

Can you send us a photo of the pill in the fermenter?

 

[punkrocker1991]

Can you send us a photo of the pill in the fermenter?

I'll do this tonight. No dry hops involved, and can appreciate the krausen crud effect might have changed the degree out. Is there a recommended difference between the two points for calibration? My two were 1.000 and 1.004 so wonder if it needed to be wider. I haven't opened the pill since i put in the charger and replaced the big magnets with the two smaller ones from the kit - once fermentation is done I'll check if one or both havent come loose too. The pill is feeding data to a RAPT controller via Bluetooth so there shouldnt be any network issues I'd hope.

 

[Its_damo_t]

I'll do this tonight. No dry hops involved, and can appreciate the krausen crud effect might have changed the degree out. Is there a recommended difference between the two points for calibration? My two were 1.000 and 1.004 so wonder if it needed to be wider. I haven't opened the pill since i put in the charger and replaced the big magnets with the two smaller ones from the kit - once fermentation is done I'll check if one or both havent come loose too. The pill is feeding data to a RAPT controller via Bluetooth so there shouldnt be any network issues I'd hope.

Ideally you want the two points to be around OG and FG. So 1.000 and 1.040-1.060 ish. I normally use the sanitizer at 1.000 and the hydrometer reading of the wort just before pitching.

 

[KegLand-com-au]

Ideally you want the two points to be around OG and FG. So 1.000 and 1.040-1.060 ish. I normally use the sanitizer at 1.000 and the hydrometer reading of the wort just before pitching.

Yes that is correct. This is a much better process.

Your previous calibration points of 1.000 and 1.004 are way too close together.

https://www.kegland.com.au/cdn/shop...rometer_and_Thermometer_Quick_Start_Guide.pdf

I would follow the "advanced calibration" method in the manual above

 

[punkrocker1991]

Yes that is correct. This is a much better process.

Your previous calibration points of 1.000 and 1.004 are way too close together.

Thanks for that. I'll retry this, just didn't want the extra complication of trying to sort this in the midst of a brew day. So minimum 30 point difference recommended?

 

[punkrocker1991]

Certainly a bunch of krausen crud, wyeast 1728 does go off. The pic where you can see red is after a shake, and I've given it another one since. It's changed the reading a bit. I'll recalibrate before next pitch but it does seem to not like the change to cordless. And i did make the coil dead centre.

 

[punkrocker1991]

Certainly a bunch of krausen crud, wyeast 1728 does go off. The pic where you can see red is after a shake, and I've given it another one since. It's changed the reading a bit. I'll recalibrate before next pitch but it does seem to not like the change to cordless. And i did make the coil dead centre.

Even after a decent shaking of stuff off the Pill, it's dropped back to reading pretty much what it did when it was covered in krud. Given that the fermentation was almost done when i did the shake, at best the krud was worth maybe 2 points difference.

 

[KegLand-com-au]

Even after a decent shaking of stuff off the Pill, it's dropped back to reading pretty much what it did when it was covered in krud. Given that the fermentation was almost done when i did the shake, at best the krud was worth maybe 2 points difference.

To keep the instruction manual simple we say use the two point calibration method with 1.000 being one calibration point and 1.040-1.060 being the second calibration point. With that said if you want a more complete answer then:

Calibration point 1
- best to use the 1.000 as stated previously

Calibration point 2
- ask yourself what is the highest gravity beer you can see yourself doing and then choose this as the second calibration point.

This is probably a more complete answer and if you take this approach then this will give you the highest accuracy. The only reason we say 1.040 - 1.060 in the instruction manual is because that is the highest gravity that most home brewers use.

 

[punkrocker1991]

To keep the instruction manual simple we say use the two point calibration method with 1.000 being one calibration point and 1.040-1.060 being the second calibration point. With that said if you want a more complete answer then:

Calibration point 1
- best to use the 1.000 as stated previously

Calibration point 2
- ask yourself what is the highest gravity beer you can see yourself doing and then choose this as the second calibration point.

This is probably a more complete answer and if you take this approach then this will give you the highest accuracy. The only reason we say 1.040 - 1.060 in the instruction manual is because that is the highest gravity that most home brewers use.

Thanks, I didn't go back to the instructions after I fitted the wireless unit. I have just had another look and will see how I can work this ahead of the next batch. Thanks for your help.

 

[Mash Monster]

Hi I’ve recently purchased a couple of KL20749 black/yellow duotight disconnects which fit perfectly on the Beer outposts. I also picked up a couple of KL29756 grey/red disconnects which fit both gas (in) and beer (out) posts is this normal please ?

 

[Codemunk3y]

As I understand it, they are all interchangeable, the colour coding is just to help you with keeping those lines separate when you brew.

Yellow for beer, as beer is yellow and red for gas

 

[DJ_L3ThAL]

As I understand it, they are all interchangeable, the colour coding is just to help you with keeping those lines separate when you brew.

Yellow for beer, as beer is yellow and red for gas

The disconnects and posts are NOT interchangeable. Liquid is for liquid. Gas is for Gas.

The carbonation caps are the ones that are interchangeable....

 

[DJ_L3ThAL]

@KegLand-com-au is there a 1.5" Triclamp ported version of the larger 3/4" brewing pump head on the horizon by any chance?

 

[Mash Monster]

The disconnects and posts are NOT interchangeable. Liquid is for liquid. Gas is for Gas.

The carbonation caps are the ones that are interchangeable....

Yep that’s what I thought but mine are ???

 

[KegLand-com-au]

Yep that’s what I thought but mine are ???

https://www.kegland.com.au/products/red-ball-lock-plastic-carbonation-cap-x-6-35mm-duotight
https://www.kegland.com.au/products/yellow-ball-lock-plastic-carbonation-cap-x-6-35mm-duotight

These red and yellow carbonation caps are designed to be interchageable with black and grey disconnects.

We have specifically done this so customers using the fermenters and other products are able to do things like push gas down the liquid dip tube to clear it out and dose liquid into the gas post. The colours red and yellow are really only so customers have some way to indicate which one they have connected the dip tube to.

 

[crowmanz]

https://www.kegland.com.au/products/red-ball-lock-plastic-carbonation-cap-x-6-35mm-duotight
https://www.kegland.com.au/products/yellow-ball-lock-plastic-carbonation-cap-x-6-35mm-duotight

These red and yellow carbonation caps are designed to be interchageable with black and grey disconnects.

We have specifically done this so customers using the fermenters and other products are able to do things like push gas down the liquid dip tube to clear it out and dose liquid into the gas post. The colours red and yellow are really only so customers have some way to indicate which one they have connected the dip tube to.

Discussion was on the disconnects not the carb caps. There is confusion out there because the colour coding of the carb caps has only been for indication purposes (i.e. they have always been interchangeable).

The newer disconnects (black/yellow - liquid and grey/red - gas) themselves you/kegland have previously confirmed are not designed to be interchangeable (unless the post/carb cap itself accepts both gas and liquid). As per DJ_L3ThALs post

The disconnects and posts are NOT interchangeable. Liquid is for liquid. Gas is for Gas.

The carbonation caps are the ones that are interchangeable....

 

[malt and barley blues]

I see Keg King are now going to produce their own FWK's. Is there any chance you are going to follow suit?

 

[Mash Monster]

https://www.kegland.com.au/products/red-ball-lock-plastic-carbonation-cap-x-6-35mm-duotight
https://www.kegland.com.au/products/yellow-ball-lock-plastic-carbonation-cap-x-6-35mm-duotight

These red and yellow carbonation caps are designed to be interchageable with black and grey disconnects.

We have specifically done this so customers using the fermenters and other products are able to do things like push gas down the liquid dip tube to clear it out and dose liquid into the gas post. The colours red and yellow are really only so customers have some way to indicate which one they have connected the dip tube to.

My question is in relation to the red/grey duotight disconnects mine fit both the in and out posts of kegland corny Kegs ?

 

[CJW]

I see Keg King are now going to produce their own FWK's. Is there any chance you are going to follow suit?

With Grain and Grape I heard that Kegland have bought their brewery and rights to their FWK so I expect the answer is yes.

Maybe they can confirm or correct any misunderstandinig.

 

[Yorkie88]

With Grain and Grape I heard that Kegland have bought their brewery and rights to their FWK so I expect the answer is yes.

Maybe they can confirm or correct any misunderstandinig.

I think that was KK who bought the brewery/FWK rights etc

 

[clickeral]

I see Keg King are now going to produce their own FWK's. Is there any chance you are going to follow suit?

https://www.kegland.com.au/collections/fresh-wort-kits

Id say the G&G ones will probably drop off unless KK supply them

 

[AlesandTales]

Here is a copy of an email from Grain and Grape.

‌

Keg King Taking Over Wort Kit Production​ In the weeks since announcing my retirement and the closure of Grain and Grape, I have been overwhelmed by the expressions of support, but also of dismay that our Fresh Wort Kits will no longer be available. Following a brief and very friendly negotiation, I am pleased to announce the sale/transfer of the G&G Fresh Wort Kit brewing system, recipes, methods and branding to our good friends at Keg King. Following a short hiatus to transfer the brewery to their premises in Springvale, Will and the team will resume production and sales of these kits, ensuring supply to the brewers of Melbourne and beyond. I thank Will and wish him the very best of luck. Cheers John​

 

[KegLand-com-au]

https://www.kegland.com.au/collections/fresh-wort-kits

Id say the G&G ones will probably drop off unless KK supply them

The Recipes that G&G had under the ArtisanAle brand were really fantastic but the reality is that these recipes were public. If the quality is maintained then we would be more than happy to purchase them from whoever manufactures them. If this is not the case then we will use the same recipe and make them ourselves and brand them under the Fresh^3 brand. Either way there is not going to be any shortage of Fresh Wort Kits so if I was a customer I would not be too concerned about getting kits.

If however there are fresh wort kits that we you think are not available that you would like to see available you can always contact us and we will look at adding them to the range.

 

[malt and barley blues]

The Recipes that G&G had under the ArtisanAle brand were really fantastic but the reality is that these recipes were public. If the quality is maintained then we would be more than happy to purchase them from whoever manufactures them. If this is not the case then we will use the same recipe and make them ourselves and brand them under the Fresh^3 brand. Either way there is not going to be any shortage of Fresh Wort Kits so if I was a customer I would not be too concerned about getting kits.

If however there are fresh wort kits that we you think are not available that you would like to see available you can always contact us and we will look at adding them to the range.

I doubt they will be any different, same brewer, same BM, and same recipes. I was hoping for a bit of competition price-wise.

 

[clickeral]

What seals are the replacement ones for the Fatlok connectors?

 

[punkrocker1991]

To keep the instruction manual simple we say use the two point calibration method with 1.000 being one calibration point and 1.040-1.060 being the second calibration point. With that said if you want a more complete answer then:

Calibration point 1
- best to use the 1.000 as stated previously

Calibration point 2
- ask yourself what is the highest gravity beer you can see yourself doing and then choose this as the second calibration point.

This is probably a more complete answer and if you take this approach then this will give you the highest accuracy. The only reason we say 1.040 - 1.060 in the instruction manual is because that is the highest gravity that most home brewers use.

So tried to do the recalibration tonight, but the Pill is dropping out of the RAPT portal almost as soon as I lift it off the charger (approx 10 seconds) (I connect while it's on the wireless charger). This is while the portal on my phone is in calibration mode, and I've done a reboot and also checked for a firmware update (it's up to date). I'll let it charge to full and try again, but think i've managed to junk it. Annoying as it was doing well until i tried the wireless charging.

 

[Coalface]

So tried to do the recalibration tonight, but the Pill is dropping out of the RAPT portal almost as soon as I lift it off the charger (approx 10 seconds) (I connect while it's on the wireless charger). This is while the portal on my phone is in calibration mode, and I've done a reboot and also checked for a firmware update (it's up to date). I'll let it charge to full and try again, but think i've managed to junk it. Annoying as it was doing well until i tried the wireless charging.

check your battery and contacts maybe?

 

[punkrocker1991]

check your battery and contacts maybe?

Took it apart and checked plugs etc. Battery level on app was 70%. It's now fully charged so will try again tonight and dig out the multimeter.

 

[punkrocker1991]

Took it apart and checked plugs etc. Battery level on app was 70%. It's now fully charged so will try again tonight and dig out the multimeter.

After recharging back to 100% the pill would then stay in calibration mode long enough to be calibrated. Two points, 1.000 and 1.064 being the next brew. Although i calibrated it at 1.064 in the wort after a couple of minutes waiting for it to stabilise, when it started sending readings to my RAPT controller it was saying 1.062. I can live with a couple of points diff, will see if that changes.