Hopburst

[warrenlw63]

Amended. That's my limit. I have no shame in admitting it's more a hop trickle than a burst. B)

Jaded Columbus

A ProMash Recipe Report

BJCP Style and Style Guidelines
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10-A American Ale, American Pale Ale

Min OG: 1.045 Max OG: 1.060
Min IBU: 30 Max IBU: 54
Min Clr: 12 Max Clr: 36 Color in EBC

Recipe Specifics
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Batch Size (L): 50.00 Wort Size (L): 50.00
Total Grain (kg): 9.75
Anticipated OG: 1.046 Plato: 11.48
Anticipated EBC: 11.9
Anticipated IBU: 28.2
Brewhouse Efficiency: 76 %
Wort Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Pre-Boil Amounts
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Evaporation Rate: 15.00 Percent Per Hour
Pre-Boil Wort Size: 58.82 L
Pre-Boil Gravity: 1.039 SG 9.81 Plato

Formulas Used
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Brewhouse Efficiency and Predicted Gravity based on Method #1, Potential Used.
Final Gravity Calculation Based on Points.
Hard Value of Sucrose applied. Value for recipe: 46.2100 ppppg
Yield Type used in Gravity Prediction: Fine Grind Dry Basis.

Color Formula Used: Morey
Hop IBU Formula Used: Rager

Additional Utilization Used For Plug Hops: 2 %
Additional Utilization Used For Pellet Hops: 10 %


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential EBC
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1.5 0.15 kg. Weyermann Caramel Rye Germany 1.035 167
2.1 0.20 kg. Flaked Barley America 1.032 5
48.2 4.70 kg. Barrett Burston Ale Malt Australia 1.038 4
48.2 4.70 kg. Baird's Maris Otter Pale Ale UK 1.037 7

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
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10.00 g. Columbus Pellet 13.70 0.0 0 min.
10.00 g. Pacific Jade Pellet 15.20 0.0 0 min.
10.00 g. Columbus Pellet 13.70 4.6 30 min.
10.00 g. Pacific Jade Pellet 15.20 5.1 30 min.
10.00 g. Columbus Pellet 13.70 3.6 25 min.
10.00 g. Pacific Jade Pellet 15.20 4.0 25 min.
5.00 g. Columbus Pellet 13.70 1.5 20 min.
5.00 g. Pacific Jade Pellet 15.20 1.7 20 min.
5.00 g. Columbus Pellet 13.70 1.2 15 min.
5.00 g. Pacific Jade Pellet 15.20 1.3 15 min.
5.00 g. Columbus Pellet 13.70 0.9 10 min.
5.00 g. Pacific Jade Pellet 15.20 1.0 10 min.
10.00 g. Columbus Pellet 13.70 1.5 5 min.
10.00 g. Pacific Jade Pellet 15.20 1.7 5 min.


Extras

Amount Name Type Time
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0.00 Oz Irish Moss Fining 15 Min.(boil)


Yeast
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DCL Yeast US56 Yeast


Water Profile
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Profile: Marin County CA
Profile known for:

Calcium(Ca): 12.0 ppm
Magnesium(Mg): 10.0 ppm
Sodium(Na): 15.0 ppm
Sulfate(SO4): 17.0 ppm
Chloride(Cl): 13.0 ppm
biCarbonate(HCO3): 74.0 ppm

pH: 8.31


Mash Schedule
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Mash Name: straight infusion

Total Grain kg: 9.75
Total Water Qts: 30.91 - Before Additional Infusions
Total Water L: 29.25 - Before Additional Infusions

Tun Thermal Mass: 0.00
Grain Temp: 15.50 C


Step Rest Start Stop Heat Infuse Infuse Infuse
Step Name Time Time Temp Temp Type Temp Amount Ratio
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Sacc rest 5 90 65 65 Infuse 72 29.25 3.00


Total Water Qts: 30.91 - After Additional Infusions
Total Water L: 29.25 - After Additional Infusions
Total Mash Volume L: 35.76 - After Additional Infusions

All temperature measurements are degrees Celsius.
All infusion amounts are in Liters.
All infusion ratios are Liters/Kilograms.




Warren -

 

[Stuster]

That's impressively big, Warren. I guess I think that higher alpha hops don't necessarily give any more flavour per gram than lower alpha hops. So that's one big reason for using higher alpha acid hops later in the boil for APAs as you can use a heap of them for flavour without getting too much bitterness. I'd probably only add hops from 20 minutes onwards with a high alpha like that. So what does everyone else think? Is that your experience with high alpha hops and flavour/aroma? :unsure:

 

[T.D.]

Looks good Warren. Yikes, those Pacific Jade are not short on AAUs!! :blink:

Should be a great beer - possibly more in the line of a "bright ale" than some of the hop monstors that were posted earlier! Will be a great beer to have on tap as the weather warms up!! :beerbang:

 

[Jye]

HTFU Warren and put some hops in there :lol:

Im with Stu on the 20min and later only hops, plus I would double the 5 and 0 min addition to get some really aroma in there.

That really is a small amount of hops for a 50L batch high AA or not

 

[KoNG]

This is the artillery to be used to launch the hop bomb...!
(as requested)

 

[KoNG]

Bugger the setup... I wanna see pics of KoNG cleaning out the boiler again. :blink:

hmmm, not fit for forum consumption.. :lol:

 

[therook]

View attachment 14471

This is the artillery to be used to launch the hop bomb...!
(as requested)

I cant wait to see the pics of a six foot mash paddle and the poor bugger on the end trying to mash in 26kg's of grain.

Have fun boys, i'm jealous i'm not there.



Rook

 

[warrenlw63]

hmmm, not fit for forum consumption.. :lol:

Yeah, couldn't see much with the bike parked there n'all.

Warren -

 

[warrenlw63]

HTFU Warren and put some hops in there :lol:

Im with Stu on the 20min and later only hops, plus I would double the 5 and 0 min addition to get some really aroma in there.

That really is a small amount of hops for a 50L batch high AA or not

Oh OK... I'll rework the recipe just to shut yas up.

Warren -

 

[KoNG]

Oh OK... I'll rework the recipe just to shut yas up.

Warren -

:lol: at your age i would have thought you could beat "peer pressure"..?!?!?!

 

[Fents]

I cant wait to see the pics of a six foot mash paddle and the poor bugger on the end trying to mash in 26kg's of grain.

Have fun boys, i'm jealous i'm not there.



Rook

That picture takes it to a whole new level. Im jealous. Any leftovers PM me and i'll bring an empty keg by for refilling. :super:

 

[KoNG]

That's impressively big, Warren. I guess I think that higher alpha hops don't necessarily give any more flavour per gram than lower alpha hops. So that's one big reason for using higher alpha acid hops later in the boil for APAs as you can use a heap of them for flavour without getting too much bitterness. I'd probably only add hops from 20 minutes onwards with a high alpha like that. So what does everyone else think? Is that your experience with high alpha hops and flavour/aroma? :unsure:

Stu,
our biggest whack of hops (IBU's) is Simcoe at 20 minutes (6 IBU's, see below).. which i reckon should be good, at first we had Neloson Sauvin in the mix too... but after trying to like it a few times now, ive decided that im not a big fan of it... and T.D. is nearly the same. So everything else got upped to comensate for removing the NS. Should be a good mix with these 3 i think... the bite of simcoe and cascade wil blend well with the somewhat mellow/sweet flavour and bitterness of amarillo.
Cant wait to get a cube's worth into a ferm..!!


50.00 gm Simcoe [12.00 %] (20 min) Hops 5.9 IBU
50.00 gm Cascade [6.70 %] (20 min) Hops 3.3 IBU
50.00 gm Amarillo Gold [8.90 %] (20 min) Hops 4.4 IBU
50.00 gm Cascade [6.70 %] (15 min) Hops 2.7 IBU
50.00 gm Simcoe [12.00 %] (15 min) Hops 4.8 IBU
50.00 gm Amarillo Gold [8.90 %] (15 min) Hops 3.6 IBU
50.00 gm Simcoe [12.00 %] (10 min) Hops 3.5 IBU
50.00 gm Amarillo Gold [8.90 %] (10 min) Hops 2.6 IBU
50.00 gm Cascade [6.70 %] (10 min) Hops 2.0 IBU
50.00 gm Simcoe [12.00 %] (5 min) Hops 1.9 IBU
50.00 gm Amarillo Gold [8.90 %] (5 min) Hops 1.4 IBU
50.00 gm Cascade [6.70 %] (5 min) Hops 1.1 IBU
50.00 gm Amarillo Gold [8.90 %] (0 min) Hops
50.00 gm Cascade [6.70 %] (0 min) Hops
50.00 gm Simcoe [12.00 %] (0 min) Hops

 

[Stuster]

Like the cut of that recipe's jib, KONg. That's very similar to the hop bill we had for an ISB big brew last year. We used the same three hops in pretty much the same amounts. It's in the recipe section. Here. DJR then went on to do well with that beer at competitions. Definitely a winning combo. :super:

 

[KoNG]

your right... tis very similar!! good to know that it should come out well.
We get 150 litres between 2 people too..!!! :lol:

KoNG

 

[warrenlw63]

Okay after some soul searching (well actually the hop fridge) here's mine slightly amended. Worked out I couldn't pull the additions back to 20 mins because basically I'd run out of hops. <_<

This brings her up to 30 IBUs. No more changes its lock and load.

150 Litres KoNG? ... my word you're greedy.

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
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10.00 g. Columbus Pellet 13.70 4.6 30 min.
10.00 g. Pacific Jade Pellet 15.20 5.1 30 min.
10.00 g. Columbus Pellet 13.70 3.6 25 min.
10.00 g. Pacific Jade Pellet 15.20 4.0 25 min.
5.00 g. Columbus Pellet 13.70 1.5 20 min.
5.00 g. Pacific Jade Pellet 15.20 1.7 20 min.
5.00 g. Columbus Pellet 13.70 1.2 15 min.
5.00 g. Pacific Jade Pellet 15.20 1.3 15 min.
10.00 g. Columbus Pellet 13.70 1.8 10 min.
10.00 g. Pacific Jade Pellet 15.20 2.0 10 min.
10.00 g. Columbus Pellet 13.70 1.5 5 min.
10.00 g. Pacific Jade Pellet 15.20 1.7 5 min.
10.00 g. Columbus Pellet 13.70 0.0 0 min.
10.00 g. Pacific Jade Pellet 15.20 0.0 0 min.


Warren -

 

[brendanos]

That's impressively big, Warren. I guess I think that higher alpha hops don't necessarily give any more flavour per gram than lower alpha hops.

I was listening to Jamil's show on Imperial IPA's yesterday, and he said quite confidently that the higher alpha hops have more of the essential oils containing the aroma/flavour compounds. Not sure if he was blowing smoke, but I believed him at the time.

 

[Fents]

your right... tis very similar!! good to know that it should come out well.
We get 150 litres between 2 people too..!!! :lol:

KoNG

I've already offered to roll up with an empty Corny! h34r:

 

[Stuster]

I was listening to Jamil's show on Imperial IPA's yesterday, and he said quite confidently that the higher alpha hops have more of the essential oils containing the aroma/flavour compounds. Not sure if he was blowing smoke, but I believed him at the time.

A quick bit of research (and thinking ) shows that Jamil is wrong. :blink:

Firstly, even if quantity of essential oil is related to alpha acid (not sure about this one, but looks possible), that doesn't translate into aroma/flavour according to this.

The total oil rating, therefore, does not necessarily provide useful information about the composition of the oil and thus cannot provide the information needed to evaluate the aroma quality of our hops.

It also makes sense according to the thoughts of my little brain. Saaz gives a lot of aroma and flavour but is very low alpha, while Magnum gives very little flavour and aroma but is very high alpha.

 

[brendanos]

Take that Jamil, you dumb yank!

 

[Stuster]

Take that Jamil, you dumb yank!

Jamil was my hero. Now he's let me down, who can I look up too.