Hopburst

[KoNG]

Since this topic isnt listed as AG Im going to throw in a KK/extract/partial question into the mix. Love the sound of Hopburst and been reading up on it on the site. But as im not AGing yet I was wondering what sort of kk/extract/partial bill would be suitable instead of AG?

Going by Jye's bill above it looks like a light PA (obviously its a PA by definition). So im wondering if I just use a PA kit/malt and do a standard mini-mash (steep/boil) of the reminaing grain listed? Recon this would work out, or should I go a pils kit/malt instead? or something completely differant? I have a 7L pot so its just big enough to do a mini-mash. I can borrow a ss 40L pot if needed.

technically, you would have to strike K&K off that list, as the can of goo is kind of hopped at 60 minutes, if you know what i mean.!?! i.e. you would have bitterness from additions greater than the 30 minutes or so...
so dont use the PA kit you mention...

 

[Jye]

Jye.. that was my thinking.!
we are using simcoe and cascade (and amarillo) with quite differing AA's, so if at the 30 or 20 minute addition you somehow got a much greater amount (%) of simcoe (from a hop-mix) and then this randomly didnt even out until your zero minute addition... i guess there could be quite a difference in expected IBU's.!?!?
Agreed.... you weigh out all the hop additions, while i practice my golf swing with the mash paddle...!

edit: spelling

Or you could accidentally add all the amarillo early in the boil

 

[brettprevans]

citymorgue2 that grain bill is ridiculous <_< I must have been drunk at the time

Stick with a light extract and a few hundred grams of crystal steeped. Hopbursting is all about the hops and a over the top grain bill isnt needed.

extract is it. not entirely sure of the substitution ratio of DLME for grain? say 3kg of malt and 300g crystal? works out to about 5.8%?

 

[warrenlw63]

Interesting thread brewlings.

I'm planning a hopburst of sorts for the upcoming weekend's brew.

Going to add all my hops 30 minutes from flameout. Planned combination is a hopburst of Pacific Jade and Columbus dumped in at 5 minute intervals ie; 6 additions. :beerbang:

From what I'm reading I'll weigh each addition individually as opposed to tossing all the hops together, doing the shake-shake and then weighing.

Warren -

 

[KoNG]

Warren
i guess if you have the time, going the individual additions is going to be safer and closer to the actual recipe, but i guess in most circumstances if you made a hop-mix... everything would come out in the wash.

 

[warrenlw63]

Warren
i guess if you have the time, going the individual additions is going to be safer and closer to the actual recipe, but i guess in most circumstances if you made a hop-mix... everything would come out in the wash.

Thanks PhAT Shane.

Warren -

 

[0M39A]

citymorgue2 that grain bill is ridiculous <_< I must have been drunk at the time

Stick with a light extract and a few hundred grams of crystal steeped. Hopbursting is all about the hops and a over the top grain bill isnt needed.

exactly what i did (and do for all my apa's)

some light malt extract, couple of hundred grams of crystal, and i like to throw 500g of wheat malt in as well, just for a bit of extra tartness and the head retention it gives.

as for the timings of the hopburst additions, was just a handful every 5min or so, lol. said to fw00r while i was making it, i'll probably end up with something amazing and never get it quite right again, but thats half the fun.

something i did notice that as i was using hop pellets, they were all different sizes. by the last few handful most of the big ones were gone, and was just left with the two smaller ones left. could make a difference, who knows.

[edit]

go easy on the crystal btw, my amarillo apa had too much medium crystal and its very sweet. i used 200g of 120ebc. normally i go with 200g of 60ebc and its fine, but 120 was just too much for it. probably wouldnt have been too bad with some more bitterness (was around 35ibu or so)

 

[Simon W]

The biggest tip I can give is, don't be shy with the late additions.
As I said for my Hopburst(on page 4), I went a bit soft with the hops(was flying blind).
I really enjoyed the brew after it matured, but the aroma didn't live up to the name.
Got one stubby left from that brew, might have to chuck it in the fridge....

 

[Jye]

The biggest tip I can give is, don't be shy with the late additions.
As I said for my Hopburst(on page 4), I went a bit soft with the hops(was flying blind).
I really enjoyed the brew after it matured, but the aroma didn't live up to the name.
Got one stubby left from that brew, might have to chuck it in the fridge....

Doubling up the hop additions in the last 10mins works wonders. And dont bother with a flame out addition just save them for dry hopping.

Bring on the hops :beerbang:

 

[T.D.]

Here is the recipe KoNG and I will be brewing on Saturday. Any comments would be great.

Recipe Specifications
--------------------------
Batch Size: 150.00 L
Boil Size: 164.96 L
Estimated OG: 1.047 SG
Estimated Color: 15.1 EBC
Estimated IBU: 37.4 IBU
Brewhouse Efficiency: 80.00 %
Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Ingredients:
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Amount Item Type % or IBU
23.00 kg Joe White Traditional Ale (5.9 EBC) Grain 82.14 %
4.00 kg Joe White Munich, Light (17.7 EBC) Grain 14.29 %
0.50 kg Joe White Crystal (141.8 EBC) Grain 1.79 %
0.50 kg Joe White Dark Crystal (216.7 EBC) Grain 1.79 %
50.00 gm Simcoe [12.00 %] (20 min) Hops 5.9 IBU
50.00 gm Cascade [6.70 %] (20 min) Hops 3.3 IBU
50.00 gm Amarillo Gold [8.90 %] (20 min) Hops 4.4 IBU
50.00 gm Cascade [6.70 %] (15 min) Hops 2.7 IBU
50.00 gm Simcoe [12.00 %] (15 min) Hops 4.8 IBU
50.00 gm Amarillo Gold [8.90 %] (15 min) Hops 3.6 IBU
50.00 gm Simcoe [12.00 %] (10 min) Hops 3.5 IBU
50.00 gm Amarillo Gold [8.90 %] (10 min) Hops 2.6 IBU
50.00 gm Cascade [6.70 %] (10 min) Hops 2.0 IBU
50.00 gm Simcoe [12.00 %] (5 min) Hops 1.9 IBU
50.00 gm Amarillo Gold [8.90 %] (5 min) Hops 1.4 IBU
50.00 gm Cascade [6.70 %] (5 min) Hops 1.1 IBU
50.00 gm Amarillo Gold [8.90 %] (0 min) Hops
50.00 gm Cascade [6.70 %] (0 min) Hops
50.00 gm Simcoe [12.00 %] (0 min) Hops

 

[Jye]

I would move the 0min addition to dry hopping.

 

[Stuster]

I would move the 0min addition to dry hopping.

I would keep the 0 min addition and add another the same for dry hopping.

Edit: Other than that, recipe looks good to me.

 

[Jye]

I would keep the 0 min addition and add another the same for dry hopping.

touch :lol:

 

[Doc]

Looks pretty good to me. I agree with some dry hops (why not) and I'd maybe drop a little of the munich and add a little more of the light crystal, just to give it a little more sweetness.

I want to see pics of your setup though. Go the 164.96 litre pre-boil volume :beerbang:

Doc

 

[goatherder]

My one snippet of advice is to measure out your hops into additions before the first one is due. I did a hopburst IPA on Saturday and found it very stressful after a winter of making single hopped lagers...

 

[T.D.]

I want to see pics of your setup though. Go the 164.96 litre pre-boil volume :beerbang:

Doc

I'll try and remember to take some pics Doc, and post them here.

 

[0M39A]

My one snippet of advice is to measure out your hops into additions before the first one is due. I did a hopburst IPA on Saturday and found it very stressful after a winter of making single hopped lagers...

screw measuring, half the fun i thought doing a hopburst is just throwing in handfulls

 

[warrenlw63]

I want to see pics of your setup though. Go the 164.96 litre pre-boil volume :beerbang:

I'll try and remember to take some pics Doc, and post them here.

Bugger the setup... I wanna see pics of KoNG cleaning out the boiler again. :blink:

Mighty impressed by the recipe T.D. B)

Here's my feeble attempt at the genre. Hoping its a good one.

Jaded Columbus

A ProMash Recipe Report

BJCP Style and Style Guidelines
-------------------------------

10-A American Ale, American Pale Ale

Min OG: 1.045 Max OG: 1.060
Min IBU: 30 Max IBU: 54
Min Clr: 12 Max Clr: 36 Color in EBC

Recipe Specifics
----------------

Batch Size (L): 50.00 Wort Size (L): 50.00
Total Grain (kg): 9.75
Anticipated OG: 1.046 Plato: 11.48
Anticipated EBC: 11.9
Anticipated IBU: 28.2
Brewhouse Efficiency: 76 %
Wort Boil Time: 60 Minutes

Pre-Boil Amounts
----------------

Evaporation Rate: 15.00 Percent Per Hour
Pre-Boil Wort Size: 58.82 L
Pre-Boil Gravity: 1.039 SG 9.81 Plato

Formulas Used
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Brewhouse Efficiency and Predicted Gravity based on Method #1, Potential Used.
Final Gravity Calculation Based on Points.
Hard Value of Sucrose applied. Value for recipe: 46.2100 ppppg
Yield Type used in Gravity Prediction: Fine Grind Dry Basis.

Color Formula Used: Morey
Hop IBU Formula Used: Rager

Additional Utilization Used For Plug Hops: 2 %
Additional Utilization Used For Pellet Hops: 10 %


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential EBC
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
1.5 0.15 kg. Weyermann Caramel Rye Germany 1.035 167
2.1 0.20 kg. Flaked Barley America 1.032 5
48.2 4.70 kg. Barrett Burston Ale Malt Australia 1.038 4
48.2 4.70 kg. Baird's Maris Otter Pale Ale UK 1.037 7

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
10.00 g. Columbus Pellet 13.70 4.6 30 min.
10.00 g. Pacific Jade Pellet 15.20 5.1 30 min.
10.00 g. Columbus Pellet 13.70 3.6 25 min.
10.00 g. Pacific Jade Pellet 15.20 4.0 25 min.
5.00 g. Columbus Pellet 13.70 1.5 20 min.
5.00 g. Pacific Jade Pellet 15.20 1.7 20 min.
5.00 g. Columbus Pellet 13.70 1.2 15 min.
5.00 g. Pacific Jade Pellet 15.20 1.3 15 min.
5.00 g. Columbus Pellet 13.70 0.9 10 min.
5.00 g. Pacific Jade Pellet 15.20 1.0 10 min.
10.00 g. Columbus Pellet 13.70 1.5 5 min.
10.00 g. Pacific Jade Pellet 15.20 1.7 5 min.


Extras

Amount Name Type Time
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
0.00 Oz Irish Moss Fining 15 Min.(boil)


Yeast
-----

DCL Yeast US56 US56 Yeast


Water Profile
-------------

Profile: Marin County CA
Profile known for:

Calcium(Ca): 12.0 ppm
Magnesium(Mg): 10.0 ppm
Sodium(Na): 15.0 ppm
Sulfate(SO4): 17.0 ppm
Chloride(Cl): 13.0 ppm
biCarbonate(HCO3): 74.0 ppm

pH: 8.31


Mash Schedule
-------------

Mash Name: straight infusion

Total Grain kg: 9.75
Total Water Qts: 30.91 - Before Additional Infusions
Total Water L: 29.25 - Before Additional Infusions

Tun Thermal Mass: 0.00
Grain Temp: 15.50 C


Step Rest Start Stop Heat Infuse Infuse Infuse
Step Name Time Time Temp Temp Type Temp Amount Ratio
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Sacc rest 5 90 65 65 Infuse 72 29.25 3.00


Total Water Qts: 30.91 - After Additional Infusions
Total Water L: 29.25 - After Additional Infusions
Total Mash Volume L: 35.76 - After Additional Infusions

All temperature measurements are degrees Celsius.
All infusion amounts are in Liters.
All infusion ratios are Liters/Kilograms.


Edit: recipe chucked in for good measure.

Warren -

 

[Stuster]

Come on, Warren. 90g of hops in a 50L hopburst batch.

I'd say all of those additions could be doubled. Now I'm excited.

 

[warrenlw63]

Hey c'mon Stuster that Pacific Jade is 16% AAUs. Ah bugger it I'll throw some more in at flameout. You talked me into it.

Warren -