Goodbye Bronwyn

[manticle]

@burt de ernie: This is what the subsidy is for and using them to replace experienced staff instead of complement goes against the principle of an apprenticeship. From who do they learn?

Once they're qualified and experienced, using your logic they get pissed off and replaced by the next bit of cheap labour, devaluing both experience and training..

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

" sharpen a ******* chisel properly". Oh,oh now you've got me started....FFS in the last 5 yrs at least I have not worked with one apprentice that knows how to sharpen a chisel let alone set and sharpen a hand saw ! Drives me to despair.
They buy the hardened tooth hand saws ." It only cost $10:00 " and then complain that they are buying 10 per year ! And it's costing them.
To be honest it's the way things are but they are not taught this as the 2 weeks by 4 times a year trade school in Adelaide is a thing of the past. Where we were taught ****.
A bloke visits the site every 2-3 months and checks their modules ( home work books) and questions them on its contents.
Any muppet can bull and bluster through that crap......and....ah **** it,the system wants numbers and the system gets want it wants regardless.

I did my apprenticeship with the NSW Railways. We had a supervisor come around every month and check our Training Log book. We had to do 1 page per week...not to mention they used to also check the Tafe roll to see we where actually turning up.. ( luckily we kept a low profile in the UTS Uni bar....a mere 100mts from our classroom block )

I still surprise many a person with how well I can actually file and use a hacksaw....

I can sharpen a chisel that you could shave with just using a final cut file and some chalk h34r:

 

[manticle]

And you want to teach people the value of work....

 

[manticle]

^ burt and weal

 

[Burt de Ernie]

@burt de ernie: This is what the subsidy is for and using them to replace experienced staff instead of complement goes against the principle of an apprenticeship. From who do they learn?

Once they're qualified and experienced, using your logic they get pissed off and replaced by the next bit of cheap labour, devaluing both experience and training..

This is not really true at least not in building services.

Usually it is the third year who teaches the first year and so on. I am not necessarily and advocate but its the way it is.

 

[Camo6]

Apprentices do alright. They get paid to learn a trade that will last them their whole working life. When they come out of their time they generally retain their employment.

Beats paying $60,000 for four years of University, living on a low income only to have to find a job when you're finished.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

This is not really true at least not in building services.

Usually it is the third year who teaches the first year and so on. I am not necessarily and advocate but its the way it is.

That is truly scary.....

 

[manticle]

It's the way it is is not an excuse. It's not the way it should be. It's not the way it is supposed to be.

I'm talking about principles.

 

[Burt de Ernie]

And you want to teach people the value of work....

I believe its your parents that teach you this.

 

[Burt de Ernie]

That is truly scary.....

What does a first year need to know that a third year cant teach him/her?

 

[manticle]

Apprentices do alright. They get paid to learn a trade that will last them their whole working life. When they come out of their time they generally retain their employment.

Beats paying $60,000 for four years of University, living on a low income only to have to find a job when you're finished.

Tell me about it. Just starting earning enough to start paying it off.

Get a university education they said....mumble, mumble*

*slight asterisk reference

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Apprentices do alright. They get paid to learn a trade that will last them their whole working life. When they come out of their time they generally retain their employment.

Beats paying $60,000 for four years of University, living on a low income only to have to find a job when you're finished.

True that. I know blokes who went to Uni when I was doing my trade.

Some of them never really got a job, but have a BA..(or whatever it is you get after 4yrs)

But, by the same token, I dont begrudge the ones that put some effort in to Uni and are doing rather nicely now.

Much like an apprentice

 

[manticle]

I believe its your parents that teach you this.

I believe all members of society, including but not limited to parents share responsibility. Anyway, if parents have done a good job why should we disillusion them when they come of age?

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

What does a first year need to know that a third year cant teach him/her?

I just worked out what your upto

You Sir, are subtle

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Tell me about it. Just starting earning enough to start paying it off.

Get a university education they said....mumble, mumble*

*slight asterisk reference

So you got a job at McDonalds then.......

 

[manticle]

He's trying to sell chocolate covered cotton?

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

I believe all members of society, including but not limited to parents share responsibility.

WTF...you mentioned society...

LNP wil lock you up for being a communist

Border Force Patrol are coming for you.

 

[Burt de Ernie]

I just worked out what your upto

You Sir, are subtle

Others call it tactful...

 

[manticle]

So you got a job at McDonalds then.......

Not quite but it was a long road and three degrees to get to a point where I earn a wage considered slightly above the mean (very slightly above but I do also love my job). On job experience and attitude (and hard work) at least as valuable as uni, would have been better off financially learning a trade.

Wouldn't swap my life for another as I'm really happy - just not what I was led to believe.

 

[manticle]

So you got a job at McDonalds then.......

Actually just got the reference. At one point LNP did drop the payback kpa to low/mid 20s but fortunately the threshold has been much less harsh for a while.