Goodbye Bronwyn

[Burt de Ernie]

Don't know why everyone's so negative on the unions (well I kind of do). I'm with a great employer working under the ETU EBA. Awesome conditions that a domestic mate will never see no matter how good his employer is.

I'm not negative on unions. They have done amazing things for Australia and even though I have never been a great advocate, they and their members have without doubt contributed to the great work conditions I now enjoy.

 

[Burt de Ernie]

The words out of his mouth where " I can make more money from 2 apprentices" He still charged the same hourly rate for the apprentice to be on site as a he charged for a tradesman

I consider this good business.

 

[Burt de Ernie]

Knew I should have been a sparky. Plumbing was never like the ****os led me to believe.

Plumbing is the best job............to sit and watch someone else do.

 

[Burt de Ernie]

30% of the Netherlands sits below sea level. I assume a man whos handy with laying pipe is quite desirable.

I'm Dutch and I have a plumbing trade yet I struggle to see my self as someone (else`s) desire....

 

[goomboogo]

I consider this good business.

So, you consider allowing an unsupervised apprentice to complete electrical work, potentially beyond their capabilities, as good business practice. It horrifies me seeing apprentices and newly minted tradespeople on building sites attempting to perform work that is obviously beyond their capability.

 

[manticle]

Treat staff badly, rip off clients.
Great business practice. **** yeah.

 

[Tropico]

Bronwyn Bishop for PM!

 

[Burt de Ernie]

So, you consider allowing an unsupervised apprentice to complete electrical work, potentially beyond their capabilities, as good business practice. It horrifies me seeing apprentices and newly minted tradespeople on building sites attempting to perform work that is obviously beyond their capability.

What is you source?

The apprentices were supervised. Their boss had a license.

Apprentices are the back bone of many trade based businesses. A majority of apprentices will do their time with one company then move on to bigger and better things. I know this because this is the path that I travelled and I'm still friends with the 5 other apprentices that I worked with whilst doing my time.

Thank **** there wasn't some un-qualified laborer there to leach my job.

 

[goomboogo]

Bronwyn Bishop for PM!

You're short selling her. Nothing less than the papacy will suffice.

 

[JDW81]

The apprentices were supervised. Their boss had a license.

Just because their boss had a licence doesn't mean they were adequately supervised, it just means it's his nuts on the block if there is fault.

 

[Tropico]

You're short selling her. Nothing less than the papacy will suffice.

Yep, Bronwyn Bishop, the first female Pope, hip hip.....

 

[Burt de Ernie]

Treat staff badly, rip off clients.
Great business practice. **** yeah.

Fair go. Firstly, The guy sound like he has put numerous apprentices through their trade and secondly you have no idea how he charged his clients.

Why on earth would you expect a business owner to carry a laborer that is not required?

 

[manticle]

I'm all for training and investing time and money in apprenticeships. How I read it (based entirely on the information given and in part my own experience detailed earlier) is that the boss was less interested in investing in the future of apprentices and more interested in cutting corners and increasing short term profits.
I hope I'm wrong in every circumstance in which this has occurred.

 

[Burt de Ernie]

Just because their boss had a licence doesn't mean they were adequately supervised, it just means it's his nuts on the block if there is fault.

Wait.....isn't this how trade businesses work?

You think he should not have trainees doing the work but an un-qualified laborer?

I'm so confused...

 

[Burt de Ernie]

I'm all for training and investing time and money in apprenticeships. How I read it (based entirely on the information given and in part my own experience detailed earlier) is that the boss was less interested in investing in the future of apprentices and more interested in cutting corners and increasing short term profits.
I hope I'm wrong in every circumstance in which this has occurred.

I know for a fact that if I were not a dirt cheap apprentice and my boss tight arse, I would not be where I am today.

 

[JDW81]

You think he should not have trainees doing the work but an un-qualified laborer?

That's not what I said, nor implied.

 

[spog]

Treat staff badly, rip off clients.
Great business practice. **** yeah.

If,only if I had a dollar for every time I have witnesses or heard of this in the building trade I would be well off indeed. Not joking,how some ( self proclaimed ) tradies can sleep at night to me beggars belief .

 

[Burt de Ernie]

If,only if I had a dollar for every time I have witnesses or heard of this in the building trade I would be well off indeed. Not joking,how some ( self proclaimed ) tradies can sleep at night to me beggars belief .

You would be rich enough to employ me...haha.

But lets face it.......good tradie rarely equals good businessman. What decent business man would ever invest in a trade business?

 

[spog]

You would be rich enough to employ me...haha.

But lets face it.......good tradie rarely equals good businessman. What decent business man would ever invest in a trade business?

Bang on the money,I've been in construction for 36 yrs and I'm not joking when I say..no state that it all comes down to cost,**** professional quality it's cost and trying to make a living out of it is an up hill battle.
Can't wait to leave it behind me,the changes I have witnessed in my time are numerous but i guess it's the world/ society we all live in now,i myself still do marvel at the abilities and knowledge of many of the " old " tradies ( now gone) that I worked with when I first started.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

What? Didn't you buy a 42" plasma with the money KRudd handed out to everyone to save Australia?

Everyone else did apparently. Well not the ones that put it in the pokies..........

No I didnt do anything of the above.

Pram, cot, blankets, clothes, stuff...lots of stuff only useful for babies.....

Know way on gods earth I could even afford beers at the pub they cost so much, let alone a flat screen TV.

Thank god I was brewing more than I thought I could drink

TIP: Baby formula tins hold 1kg nicely. In fact the first ring from the top is exactly 1kg. I didn,t even use scales in the end.

Must have had 30-40 tins full of everything from Vienna-Xtal-choc-Roast Barley




Anyway...back to the show h34r: