Goodbye Bronwyn

[Black Devil Dog]

I couldn't say how it would work out for any one else.

The bloke I know who did ask for more, has been with the company for only about 18 months and he was genuinely pissed off about some things at the time and was surprised when his boss accepted his demand.

He would have been on more than 35k, no doubt, but I didn't ask him what he was on. I don't ask people how much they're earning.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Owner realised he could pay an apprentice half, despite the warnings of the chef and let me go.

And how many employers do that. Lots. When it comes down to the $$ and the employer can see he can get the same job done for 1/2 the money and make more for himself at the end of the day. What do you think he will do.

You dont become rich by paying money you dont have to

 

[manticle]

@BDD - sure but you get the idea that one example doesn't make it true across the board I'm guessing?

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

I couldn't say how it would work out for any one else.

EXACTLY

 

[Black Devil Dog]

Of course it doesn't make it true across the board, but if you don't ask you don't get.

 

[Black Devil Dog]

EXACTLY

WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING!

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Just making sure you can see the other side of the coin.

 

[Black Devil Dog]

The reason I said I don't know how it would work out for anyone else, is because I don't know what anyone else's situation is.

Stick with the unions, it seems like it's working out fine.

 

[Burt de Ernie]

And how many employers do that. Lots. When it comes down to the $$ and the employer can see he can get the same job done for 1/2 the money and make more for himself at the end of the day. What do you think he will do.

You dont become rich by paying money you dont have to[/quote
Any employer who does has a piece of **** business. Without doubt you would be better off with some one else. This does however seem to be common in building trades

 

[Burt de Ernie]

The reason I said I don't know how it would work out for anyone else, is because I don't know what anyone else's situation is.

Stick with the unions, it seems like it's working out fine.

Stick with the unions???...stuff that....retrain and go and work for an employer who values your arse. The whole Union scene is way to negative.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Any employer who does has a piece of **** business. Without doubt you would be better off with some one else. This does however seem to be common in building trades

Any employer who does this is a piece of **** and they dont deserve good employees. But what do you do in a very tight labour market. Do you take what you can get to pay the bills or sit back and wait for a decent job with a decent employer and not pay the bills

There is a reason why decent jobs with decent employers dont come around that often. Its because you basically have to wait until someone retires or dies for there to be a position

You cant just say " Go and get a better job with a better employer" If there are no jobs available well you pretty well screwed.

And as for retraining, all well and good, but you are still in the same boat looking for a good employer

Wouldn't it be great if every employer was so wonderful they payed you what you think your worth.

Wouldn't it be wonderful indeed.

 

[wide eyed and legless]

I have never said that you can get payed less than the award.
What I am saying is that the employer can put you on a lesser award
This is how employers get away with paying a person less
Just because you have certain skills does not automatically mean you will be payed the award you have the qualifications for
I was a labourer for a Sparky, employed as a labourer, but in reality I was more qualified then they guys I was working for. But I was employed a a labourer and payed the award for being a labourer. There was another bloke who was a qualified auto electrician. He to was employed a labourer and payed the award as a labourer

You should have explained yourself better in the fist place, if you are an electrician and you go for a job as a labourer then that is what you will be paid as, you can't expect to be paid as anything else other than what you were employed to be.
As for being laid off and 2 apprentices doing the job, it wouldn't have anything to do with the subsidy because that subsidy goes into the profit and loss, the government give it out with one hand and take it back with the other.

 

[Burt de Ernie]

Any employer who does this is a piece of **** and they dont deserve good employees.

You cant just say " Go and get a better job with a better employer" If there are no jobs available well you pretty well screwed.

The employee is not a piece of ****. They are more than likely it a tight market along with you.

Obviously better jobs are not always there when you need them and sometimes you have to take any job you can to make ends meet. But you are in a tight low skilled market and you are not taking necessary steps to even attemp to better position yourself then you should be complaining about yourself and not your boss. Let's face it, it is most likely he had made that decision to better the position of the company. If the decision ends up being a good one, the employer will then have skilled up two individuals.

Me for example, I have a fantastic job with a fantastic boss who I know will fight to keep me however, I'm just about to start to retrain....again for the fourth time. Not because I plan to leave any time soon and not because I like missing my family and studying at night, but because I believe that in this day and age i cannot be stagnant with my skills. Because I do this I know that I'll never be out of a job.

Like I tell my kids over and over "studying gives you options".

Edit: spelling

 

[Camo6]

Don't know why everyone's so negative on the unions (well I kind of do). I'm with a great employer working under the ETU EBA. Awesome conditions that a domestic mate will never see no matter how good his employer is.

 

[JDW81]

You cant just say " Go and get a better job with a better employer" If there are no jobs available well you pretty well screwed.

Yes you can. Just ask Tony. Apparently if you want to make more money, just go out and get a better job. It is as easy as that.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

As for being laid off and 2 apprentices doing the job, it wouldn't have anything to do with the subsidy because that subsidy goes into the profit and loss, the government give it out with one hand and take it back with the other.

The words out of his mouth where " I can make more money from 2 apprentices" He still charged the same hourly rate for the apprentice to be on site as a he charged for a tradesman

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Obviously better jobs are not always there when you need them and sometimes you have to take any job you can to make ends meet. But you are in a tight low skilled market and you are not taking necessary steps to even attemp to better position yourself then you should be complaining about yourself and not your boss.

So does one go for jobs that dont exist ?

 

[wide eyed and legless]

You have a lot of faith in the system weal.

Well if we are talking about the Westminster system yes I do, if we are talking about the Fair Work system, then I don't, they govern in support of the worker, which is understandable as most of the FWA are ex union reps.

 

[Dave70]

C'mon. We can crack 50 for sure.

 

[wide eyed and legless]

Don't know why everyone's so negative on the unions (well I kind of do). I'm with a great employer working under the ETU EBA. Awesome conditions that a domestic mate will never see no matter how good his employer is.

I have 5 brothers 1 doesn't like work,2 are plumbers, 1 specialises in cooling and heating, the other specialises in roofing, 1 is a mechanic who likes to specialise in turbo's the youngest is a domestic electrician who specialises in how many housewives he can lay.