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wide eyed and legless
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Who said it wouldn't work? I stated that we are all different with different ideas some of us will pull their weight some of us will not some of us would like to be in charge of our own destiny's some of us would just like to go with the flow.
Just look at Russia and China since they reformed from communism the people are better off, 70 million people in China now go on overseas holidays an ex security guard is in the driving seat in Russia and is the 6th richest man in the world with millions of Russians going on overseas holidays. Not hard to work out.
Just look at Russia and China since they reformed from communism the people are better off, 70 million people in China now go on overseas holidays an ex security guard is in the driving seat in Russia and is the 6th richest man in the world with millions of Russians going on overseas holidays. Not hard to work out.
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Credit Suisse report 2013
One of the report's main authors, Tony Shorrocks of the London-based consultancy Global Economic Perspectives, told RFE/RL on October 10 that wealth disparity in Russia is unparalleled.
"Russia is really an outlier," Shorrocks said. "Even compared with the U.S., which has more wealth inequality than most countries, [Russia] is still totally separate from the rest of the world. It may not be too different from some of the Central Asian countries, and there are a few Caribbean nations that happen to have a resident billionaire. So they get similar sorts of numbers."
Shorrocks says what is most striking about Russia's richest citizens is that most have made their money by controlling companies in the natural-resources sector -- like gas giant Gazprom, oil companies, or metals firms -- and use their political connections with the Kremlin to maintain their fortunes.
"Billionaires in Russia obviously have very much connected with natural resources," he said. "And clearly, we're talking about recent fortunes that have been made in the last 20 years. It's quite clear that these natural-resource companies do require political support in various ways. So there does seem to be more political connections between the billionaires in Russia than there are in other countries."
One of the report's main authors, Tony Shorrocks of the London-based consultancy Global Economic Perspectives, told RFE/RL on October 10 that wealth disparity in Russia is unparalleled.
"Russia is really an outlier," Shorrocks said. "Even compared with the U.S., which has more wealth inequality than most countries, [Russia] is still totally separate from the rest of the world. It may not be too different from some of the Central Asian countries, and there are a few Caribbean nations that happen to have a resident billionaire. So they get similar sorts of numbers."
Shorrocks says what is most striking about Russia's richest citizens is that most have made their money by controlling companies in the natural-resources sector -- like gas giant Gazprom, oil companies, or metals firms -- and use their political connections with the Kremlin to maintain their fortunes.
"Billionaires in Russia obviously have very much connected with natural resources," he said. "And clearly, we're talking about recent fortunes that have been made in the last 20 years. It's quite clear that these natural-resource companies do require political support in various ways. So there does seem to be more political connections between the billionaires in Russia than there are in other countries."
Are the middle class not people?
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Or to post anything political on a homebrew forum. It causes " kit-twang"!Leviathan said:
wide eyed and legless
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Remember there was no class system in China there was the peasants and the communist party leaders those who have made it to middle class have made it through hard work, not by complaining that they are getting ripped by their employers they have created their own wealth.
wide eyed and legless
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I agree with you seamad, this is how Putin has got his money he sells favours and takes a percentage of the resources sector, even so the people are better off, it will settle remember this is not really a democracy and there are still a lot of bad elements in Russia.
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Are you serious....wide eyed and legless said:
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Yes, the rich Russians are better off.wide eyed and legless said:
seamad
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Wealth distribution, who wants to be a ruski ?
mean median Adults% in $US
Thousands Adults wealth wealth
< 10K 10K-100K 100K-1million >1million
Australia
16,617
402,578
219,505
6.9
23.7
62.6
6.8
100
China
998,254
22,230
8,023
58.4
39.1
2.4
0.1
100
Russian Federation
110,365
10,976
871
93.7
5.6
0.6
0.1
100
mean median Adults% in $US
Thousands Adults wealth wealth
< 10K 10K-100K 100K-1million >1million
16,617
402,578
219,505
6.9
23.7
62.6
6.8
100
998,254
22,230
8,023
58.4
39.1
2.4
0.1
100
110,365
10,976
871
93.7
5.6
0.6
0.1
100
wide eyed and legless
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Both examples of China and Russia are fledgling capitalist countries, ask any of the people in those 2 countries what they would prefer, the life they had 30 or 40 years ago or what they have now.
Having lived and worked in China (milking the cash cow along with millions of Chinese) I know what they would say
Having lived and worked in China (milking the cash cow along with millions of Chinese) I know what they would say
Be buggered if I can figure out how to read that chart,all I know is that there are some Aussies who have more money than all of us put together. Half their luck .seamad said:Wealth distribution, who wants to be a ruski ?
mean median Adults% in $US
Thousands Adults wealth wealth
< 10K 10K-100K 100K-1million >1million
Australia
16,617
402,578
219,505
6.9
23.7
62.6
6.8
100
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Flag_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China.svg/23px-Flag_of_the_People's_Republic_of_China.svg.pngChina
998,254
22,230
8,023
58.4
39.1
2.4
0.1
100
Russian Federation
110,365
10,976
871
93.7
5.6
0.6
0.1
100
Ducatiboy stu
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Still a hell of a lot of Chinese and Russians who are a very, very long way away from being even middle class
For the vast majority of them, life still sucks bricks
For the vast majority of them, life still sucks bricks
wide eyed and legless
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Is the glass half full or is the glass half empty?
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Is the glass the right size ?
When people are chaining their kids up in the street so they can go and work in the pollution factory I reckon 7/8 empty.
Good and bad in all systems, and there are extremes on both sides that have been brought up here. I doubt anyone here seriously has a problem with people building up a successful business through hard work, just as I doubt anyone here seriously has a problem with people working under fair working conditions for decent pay.
Good and bad in all systems, and there are extremes on both sides that have been brought up here. I doubt anyone here seriously has a problem with people building up a successful business through hard work, just as I doubt anyone here seriously has a problem with people working under fair working conditions for decent pay.
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There is no connection between communist Russia/China and Australia under Labor so I'm really unsure of the point you're trying to make. They have almost nothing in common.wide eyed and legless said:Both examples of China and Russia are fledgling capitalist countries, ask any of the people in those 2 countries what they would prefer, the life they had 30 or 40 years ago or what they have now.
Having lived and worked in China (milking the cash cow along with millions of Chinese) I know what they would say
Danscraftbeer
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Worldly observations are,
What about local?
Overall I think local is the priority as well as being mindful of abroad but time trying to fix things on another side of the earth can just exuberate problems here. We are small but that's not a disadvantage.
We are Australia and **** the old grudges. Its all diluted with Multicultural mingling. That should be considered a strength.
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What about local?
Overall I think local is the priority as well as being mindful of abroad but time trying to fix things on another side of the earth can just exuberate problems here. We are small but that's not a disadvantage.
We are Australia and **** the old grudges. Its all diluted with Multicultural mingling. That should be considered a strength.
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