Goodbye Bronwyn

[manticle]

Why is socialist used as an insult these days?

I think it's the fault of those annoying cockheads from Socialist alliance trying to hijack every sociopolitical issue and make it about class struggle. Hell I've played futsal with some and even the futsal match is politicised. Self righteous, dogmatic, angry, humourless, tedious twats giving anyone who veers left a bad name and treating anyone who isn't as hardcore as they as as some kind of neo-conservative apologist

 

[Dave70]

Agree with you Dave we only pay a 2% levy for medicare as opposed to 8% in Denmark and still we complained when Abbott wanted a levy to visit the doctor. My current treatment is costing $10,000 / month, for 2 years or till I fall off the perch or recover, luckily I got on a world wide trial where 360 of us get the drug for free. Seeing all the young cancer patients is truly depressing I would also pay more tax and like to see which ever government is in power to use the tax dollars more efficiently.

`For this years top of the charts for Economic freedom Australia came in at 4th Denmark 11th Sweden 23rd Iceland 26th and Iceland 27th

Those Nordic smartarses. Think they're so clever with all their geothermal green energy. Just wait until their steam runs out, they'll be begging for our filthy Aussie coal. BEGGING for it..

 

[Liam_snorkel]

ah, and from the same stats we are behind all the nordic countries in "freedom from corruption", which in a way goes to the heart of our problem. Our pollies are in it for themselves, and as a result can be bought (and will rort the system to their personal advantage).

http://www.heritage.org/index/explore

Wow, on topic again!

 

[Airgead]

I think it's the fault of those annoying cockheads from Socialist alliance trying to hijack every sociopolitical issue and make it about class struggle. Hell I've played futsal with some and even the futsal match is politicised. Self righteous, dogmatic, angry, humourless, tedious twats giving anyone who veers left a bad name and treating anyone who isn't as hardcore as they as as some kind of neo-conservative apologist

Indeed. Although certain media organisations who describe anyone slightly to the left of the extreme right as being practically communists and wanting to steal all your property and give it to a dole bludger, must shoulder a portion of the blame as well...

 

[wide eyed and legless]

Things must have been pretty bad 40 years ago (which they were) if they consider themselves better off today with 800 million (out of 1.35 billion) Chinese still living on less than $15 per day.

This and the thousands of billionaires emerging suggests there is probably as bigger wealth disparity as ever.

These working class 800 million will never be one of the billionaires.

For that you have to be a either a politician or have close links to politics where corruption is rife.

Things were bad 40 years ago and today are still bad the minimum wage is $8.00 a week but the average wage is around $250 per week, the only reason wages go up is, or was, a labour shortage, while I was there the workers were on a good thing because it was a case of supply and demand, factories were having to put the wages up to poach decent workers a lot of the farming peasants were really unemployable. This is a country where unions would be invaluable but of course the only thing that one would get trying to start a union would be a bullet through the bonce.
As for the corruption the government will never stamp it out, it has gone on for thousands of years and is part of Chinese culture, but people do rise up from nothing to be a very wealthy person as Zhou Qunfei from nothing to a worth of $7 billion, and there are plenty more.

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/china/wages

 

[wide eyed and legless]

ah, and from the same stats we are behind all the nordic countries in "freedom from corruption", which in a way goes to the heart of our problem. Our pollies are in it for themselves, and as a result can be bought (and will rort the system to their personal advantage).

http://www.heritage.org/index/explore

Wow, on topic again!

You have a good pollie up there in Queensland Liam not sure which side of politics he represented but he put up a good argument a few weeks ago on AM Agenda, he is a doctor and he was arguing against raising the GST and his view was that if the National Health System got is act together it wouldn't need the extra funding

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

I'm a social liberal right wing materialist.

I'm a social liberal right wing materialist motorcyclist

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

In regard to how the Government spends my tax

FF to 2:20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WTfoT_y-BQ

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

You have a good pollie up there in Queensland Liam not sure which side of politics he represented but he put up a good argument a few weeks ago on AM Agenda, he is a doctor and he was arguing against raising the GST and his view was that if the National Health System got is act together it wouldn't need the extra funding

Yep

My view is that the Federal Government fully fund health. It is already basically national. Skills and registrations are now across the board, Hospitals regularly transfer patients interstate to the nearest or best hospital. The states dont want to loose control as they get to skim a bit off from the health budget

We already prob have one of the best health care systems in the world. And I should know cause I have been on the receiving end of our health care system. How many countries you can go to hospital all smashed up, get fixed up properly and doest cost you $1.

I also agree that if we want the best health care and the best education then we have to pay tax for it.

I would gladly pay more tax if it made life better for everyone but was also spent wisely

 

[Liam_snorkel]

You have a good pollie up there in Queensland Liam not sure which side of politics he represented but he put up a good argument a few weeks ago on AM Agenda, he is a doctor and he was arguing against raising the GST and his view was that if the National Health System got is act together it wouldn't need the extra funding

That sounds like Andrew Laming. One good egg doesn't make up for the rest, sadly.

 

[Burt de Ernie]

I don't care how much tax I pay as long as I have the opportunity to earn more, have a nicer house and better life than socialist bludgers.

 

[manticle]

Indeed. Although certain media organisations who describe anyone slightly to the left of the extreme right as being practically communists and wanting to steal all your property and give it to a dole bludger, must shoulder a portion of the blame as well...

Unfortunately a fight I've already tried to have in this thread but I think brick walls do less damage to my head.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

C'mon...leave the Daily Telegraph out of it....Wont be long and you wont be able to class it as a newspaper

 

[Black Devil Dog]

Those Nordic smartarses. Think they're so clever with all their geothermal green energy. Just wait until their steam runs out, they'll be begging for our filthy Aussie coal. BEGGING for it..

That volcanic activity is sure to stop pretty soon, at least in the next 100 - 200 million years.

 

[goomboogo]

I also agree that if we want the best health care and the best education then we have to pay tax for it.

Central Bank accounting dictates that tax revenue is not spent on government services. Taxation is merely an accounting entity and moves neither horizontally or vertically within the accounting system. The notion that a sovereign government with a fiat currency requires taxation to facilitate spending is one of the greatest misconceptions pedaled in the past 50 years.

 

[manticle]

This thread was about Bronwyn Bishop before it went freelance and started covering Aussie rules,racism,socialism,emerging from communism, now we are in Denmark one of the highest taxed countries in the world.Who still haven't solved the problem of the chasm of the have and the have not's

You still brought up russia and china (and I believe you were the first to do so) in response to airgead asking about what was terrible about socialism and socialist ideas. I could find and quote the posts but I'm sure you're perfectly capable. Why respond to a question about social policy in Australia with examples from totalitarian countries that came through an intense (and intensely bad) communist period into a corrupt, crime laden, politically and socially fraught capitalistic one? Is it an example of what may happen next time we get a labor government? We all turn into Maoists?

 

[Liam_snorkel]

Because it suits his narrative

 

[Dave70]

I'm a social liberal right wing materialist motorcyclist

Being a motorcyclist makes you a materialist by default. Or was that masochist?
I tend to favor Euro equipment you see.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Because the LNP would never introduce a totalitarianism style....I mean Tony has already stated that if you dont tow the party line you get sacked.

 

[Ducatiboy stu]

Being a motorcyclist makes you a materialist by default. Or was that masochist?
I tend to favor Euro equipment you see.

Well only if you own more than 1.

And as far as ridding in winter in the rain...well, you got me there....

And there was a period in time when owning Latin machines was basically masochistic