Fcuck you Tasmania

[Bribie G]

Well there's one place that will never again get my tourist dollar until this pack are thrown out. Also last drop of Boags, Cascade, King Island cheese etc that will pass my lips and I'll be checking all labels.

 

[sponge]

That's pretty disappointing to read.

3 steps back..

 

[Weizguy]

Just like the Queensland government are doing to the reef, in the name of coal export $$$.

Very disappointing.

Will I have to boycott Tassie hops?

 

[DU99]

start a petition with change.org.

 

[glenos]

Well there's one place that will never again get my tourist dollar until this pack are thrown out. Also last drop of Boags, Cascade, King Island cheese etc that will pass my lips and I'll be checking all labels.

Take your pick, pay for Tasmania to exist as the country's national park and fully fund the states needs or let us have some industry, I don't care which but you must choose one.

The TFA was a deal done to keep the previous government in power. The TFA allegedly ended dispute between ENGO and industry by closing the industry, it hasn't stopped the ENGO's they are still attacking what remains of the industry. I doubt the numbers presented the area equates to 1/6th of the land area of the state.

What do the ex-forestry workers do? There aren't jobs for them, we cannot have a tourism industry as the sole source of wealth generation, for one would you like your concierge to be anth generation ex-logger, they are pretty rough looking, nice people but often what you are looking for in a concierge. Plus we would end up like all tourist hot spots around the world, poor.

Have you visited the areas they are talking about? They are not prisitine virgin forest as the ENGOs would have you believe.

 

[Donske]

Have you visited the areas they are talking about? They are not prisitine virgin forest as the ENGOs would have you believe.

That's the part that confused me, I thought I'd read a report stating that much of the land to be opened to the forestry industry had previously been at least partially logged and therefore had no right to protection in the first place.

If it is indeed virgin native old growth rain forest then it should remain so, if it has previously been logged and has introduced vegetation then I'm not sure what the hippies are complaining about.

 

[AndrewQLD]

Take your pick, pay for Tasmania to exist as the country's national park and fully fund the states needs or let us have some industry, I don't care which but you must choose one.

The TFA was a deal done to keep the previous government in power. The TFA allegedly ended dispute between ENGO and industry by closing the industry, it hasn't stopped the ENGO's they are still attacking what remains of the industry. I doubt the numbers presented the area equates to 1/6th of the land area of the state.

What do the ex-forestry workers do? There aren't jobs for them, we cannot have a tourism industry as the sole source of wealth generation, for one would you like your concierge to be anth generation ex-logger, they are pretty rough looking, nice people but often what you are looking for in a concierge. Plus we would end up like all tourist hot spots around the world, poor.

Have you visited the areas they are talking about? They are not prisitine virgin forest as the ENGOs would have you believe.

It's a well written news article appearing in a newspaper, it must be true and factual and present both sides of the story....surely.
I'm with you glenos, there is more to this than the article mentions, but then some people will take anything they read in a newspaper as gospel.
I don't know what Cascade, Boags or king island cheese have to do with it either.

 

[sponge]

If it is indeed virgin native old growth rain forest then it should remain so, if it has previously been logged and has introduced vegetation then I'm not sure what the hippies are complaining about.

I agree with this. I just assumed it was untouched forest from the article..

 

[mje1980]

Well there's one place that will never again get my tourist dollar until this pack are thrown out. Also last drop of Boags, Cascade, King Island cheese etc that will pass my lips and I'll be checking all labels.

Stop supporting Tasmanian business will only hurt the people who work and live there, it won't affect the people who have made this decision.

 

[Online Brewing Supplies]

Tis progress dont you know :huh:

 

[JWB]

That's the part that confused me, I thought I'd read a report stating that much of the land to be opened to the forestry industry had previously been at least partially logged and therefore had no right to protection in the first place.

If it is indeed virgin native old growth rain forest then it should remain so, if it has previously been logged and has introduced vegetation then I'm not sure what the hippies are complaining about.

You have hit the nail on the head. according to the Greenies an area logged 70 years ago is still virgin forest. Whats more the so called Tarkine wilderness area did not appear on any Map or official document until about 8 years ago when it was fist mentioned by Bob Brown at a hippie rally in Hobart. Since then the Tarkine has grown to about half the size of the Tasmania West Coast and is still expanding. Try finding any mention of the Tarkine in any official document prior to 1999.

 

[davedoran]

Is this the same area that received world heritage listed only a couple of years ago?

 

[JWB]

Is this the same area that received world heritage listed only a couple of years ago?

Yep The very same

 

[Dave70]

As long as they don't turn the Sydney Hotel into an ironic hipster bar, I couldn't give a **** what they do.

 

[Donske]

You have hit the nail on the head. according to the Greenies an area logged 70 years ago is still virgin forest. Whats more the so called Tarkine wilderness area did not appear on any Map or official document until about 8 years ago when it was fist mentioned by Bob Brown at a hippie rally in Hobart. Since then the Tarkine has grown to about half the size of the Tasmania West Coast and is still expanding. Try finding any mention of the Tarkine in any official document prior to 1999.

Thanks for confirming, trying to find the report again through google resulted in about 10 billion anti logging sites.

Damn vocal minority.

 

[i-a-n]

At least it won't hurt more koalas

 

[Feldon]

...

 

[JWB]

No koalas down here anymore Mini mash! The foxes got the all a couple of years ago

 

[Yob]

it's not like they have a history of logging old growth forests or nuffin innit...

 

[Dave70]

it's not like they have a history of logging old growth forests or nuffin innit...

We've driven down through some of the west coast dirt roads, it was a hire care after all, where the road literally marks the border between plantation and old growth forests.
Have to admit, those neatly arranged pine forests lent a decidedly 'euro' feel to the journey. Much more attractive than those messy looking 400 year old Tasmanian oaks.
Chop em into floorboards I say.

 

[Online Brewing Supplies]

Its funny they closed 95% of the mills here in WA and all those mill folk survived.
Nev

 

[Not For Horses]

Well where would you rather your timber come from then?
We have a $2b deficit for timber in this country.
Perhaps you could take your tourist dollar to the forests of New Zealand. You eat their apples, might as well use their timber too yeah?
There's always Canada. Canada's nice. It's also where most of our structural timber comes from. Maybe pick up some wild caught salmon although that's getting a bit scarce now.
Or perhaps you could go to Borneo and see the vast Intsia Bijuga forests. No wait, that's all merbau decking and dead orangutans now.
But you'd probably like to see some tourist brochures first yeah? Now would you like those printed on paper made in Indonesian paper mills? I hear they have excellent sustainable environment policies.

 

[AndrewQLD]

^^ Clearly as posted above there are two sides to this story, it's a shame journos aren't as impartial as they should be.

 

[Online Brewing Supplies]

Well where would you rather your timber come from then?
We have a $2b deficit for timber in this country.
Perhaps you could take your tourist dollar to the forests of New Zealand. You eat their apples, might as well use their timber too yeah?
There's always Canada. Canada's nice. It's also where most of our structural timber comes from. Maybe pick up some wild caught salmon although that's getting a bit scarce now.
Or perhaps you could go to Borneo and see the vast Intsia Bijuga forests. No wait, that's all merbau decking and dead orangutans now.
But you'd probably like to see some tourist brochures first yeah? Now would you like those printed on paper made in Indonesian paper mills? I hear they have excellent sustainable environment policies.

I would prefer Borneo they got heaps of Merbau and I need to extend my deck.
Aussie timber is too expensive.

 

[taztiger]

As someone who has to deal with these lines that have been drawn for the TFA boundaries on a daily basis i can say that some of the areas are a joke. Since when is actual Eucaylyptus plantation "High Conservation Forest" ? There is more than one instance of this. The lines don't follow roads or rivers for sensible boundaries, someone just put a line on a map appease certain vocal groups during the process.
We already had 48% of the state locked up in reserve before the TFA , how much is enough? I

 

[pk.sax]

Still a sad state of things they have to log ancient forests to make a small buck. As for where things appear on official documents, official Australia also dehumanised aborigines and did not blink while the tassie tiger got hunted out of extinction. That's a ******** excuse to question the validity of what forests need protecting. We're basically headed back that way aren't we. Slowly but surely.

You have an entire mainland where you don't encounter anyone for days, a lot of which could be planted and harvested. Why the heck do you want to go to an island and chop it to woodchips. If the yobbos there can't find work outside the logging industry help them move to the mainland. Maybe tassie is overpopulated with very one-dimensionally skilled people.

 

[Blind Dog]

^^ Clearly as posted above there are two sides to this story, it's a shame journos aren't as impartial as they should be.

A journalist's job is to sell the news. If you don’t have a headline, you have nothing. The truth may be out there, but is so obscured by vested interests, spin doctors, and politicians that even Mulder couldn’t find it

 

[AndrewQLD]

A journalist's job is to sell the news. If you don’t have a headline, you have nothing. The truth may be out there, but is so obscured by vested interests, spin doctors, and politicians that even Mulder couldn’t find it

That seems to be the growing trend in journalism these days however journalists do have a set of ethics and standards they are supposed to follow.

Journalism ethics and standards comprise principles of ethics and of good practice as applicable to the specific challenges faced by journalists. Historically and currently, this subset of media ethics is widely known to journalists as their professional "code of ethics" or the "canons of journalism".[1] The basic codes and canons commonly appear in statements drafted by both professional journalism associations and individual print, broadcast, and online news organizations.
While various existing codes have some differences, most share common elements including the principles of—truthfulness, accuracy, objectivity, impartiality, fairness and public accountability—as these apply to the acquisition of newsworthy information and its subsequent dissemination to the public

however clearly the majority don't and tend to write opinion pieces rather than factual news stories.

 

[Dave70]

Well where would you rather your timber come from then?
We have a $2b deficit for timber in this country.
Perhaps you could take your tourist dollar to the forests of New Zealand. You eat their apples, might as well use their timber too yeah?
There's always Canada. Canada's nice. It's also where most of our structural timber comes from. Maybe pick up some wild caught salmon although that's getting a bit scarce now.
Or perhaps you could go to Borneo and see the vast Intsia Bijuga forests. No wait, that's all merbau decking and dead orangutans now.
But you'd probably like to see some tourist brochures first yeah? Now would you like those printed on paper made in Indonesian paper mills? I hear they have excellent sustainable environment policies.

Well lets begin with third world countries first. All they do is slash and burn anyway so they can plant GMO coffee, so it's win win for them.
Plus they never seem to complain.

 

[Blind Dog]

[SIZE=medium]Personally I’m a little more concerned by the rubbish going on in my own State.[/SIZE]
http://awpc.org.au/wombats-buried-alive-glenbog-state-forest-nsw/
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/aug/13/compulsory-voting-for-sydney-businesses-makes-a-mockery-of-democracy

[SIZE=medium]I know little about the issues in Tassie other than the guff spouted by the various vested interests. I want to hate the idea of logging forests that were protected, but suspect that there may be wider issues to consider. with all due respect to other posters, I doubt that a fcuck stance, on either side of the debate, will prove to be particularly useful[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]But in other news I sank a Leffe Bruin and a Leffe blonde at lunch. Yum.[/SIZE]