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You only need a heat belt if you're wearing hot pants.

Or brewing in The Icy Tundra ;)

I keep reading that many are pushing the French 3711 up to and passed 30' without negatives. I haven't pushed it that high due to the wyeast recommendation of 25' as the top end. My favourite saison yeast I reckon. :icon_drool2:
 
Was mine too but now it's 3724. Sipping on one now that spent lots of time at 30-35! Bloody nice. The keg next to it is a 3711 saison, that also spent time at 30-35. Also bloody nice!
 
I think I read somewhere the workers brewed in the farmhouse lofts. This gave rise to the name farmhouse and that they were brewed quickly at high temp to satisfy their ongoing thirst..

Take no responsibility for the accuracy of this though..
 
Well mines away, using W3726 private collection. It's sitting at 28C atm and looking dangerously like it may want to crawl out of the FV. I hope not, no good would come of that.

Batz

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Interestingly just last night, when we got back from a jaunt to Sydney, I checked up on my most recent saison - a herbal concoction of yarrow flower and leaf, raspberry and strawberry leaf, and lemon peel. It had seemingly stopped fermenting - the temps were a little too ambient, it seemed. This morning I measured the gravity - down to 1.002. Yep, that really is the end of ferment, I thought, and made preparations for bottling. (When we left for Sydney, it was certainly fermenting at a very slow pace, so I was not surprised by this).

In the meantime, the saison had seemingly *begun* fermenting again, with definite bubbling through the airlock.

Possibly the yeast was having a break in yesterday's insane temps. Or maybe the influx of oxygen when I opened up the fermenter to take a sample spurred something.... ?!??? My previous saison may have reacted in a similar manner - I added apricot during secondary fermentation; the act of adding an ingredient seemed to make the yeast very happy indeed.

Regardless, I'll be giving the saison a few more days before bottling - I'm definitely grateful to not be bottling today, with temps hitting around 36 degrees celsius.

(The herbal saison tastes quite nice actually - pleasant winey-soft bitter-sourness, a combination, I guess, of the light herbal additions and the esters produced by the yeast. When I tasted it I went, 'mmm, quite estery' and it sounded like I said, 'Mmmm, like an estuary....'!)
 
That sounds like an interesting drop! I don't use airlocks, so this is purely speculative, but could the renewed activity be dissolved Co2 leaving your beer as it warms, rather than bona fide fermentation? Your hydrometer will tell you for sure, but that seems possible to me. The apricot would have been different because you were adding more sugar to ferment.

My summer saaz saison seems to have finished at 1.001, so thanks Belle, it should be bone dry. I ended up increasing the temp to 25 after three days and it's sitting there at the moment. I also took the unusual step of dry hopping with 5g Nelson Sauvin and 15g Summer. Will let it sit for another week, then cold crash and bottle.
 
That's possible - I may have stirred up the dregs at the bottom and released CO2 that way. Of course a lot of warming happened yesterday so a lot of the CO2 could have escaped then. Anyway I think it should be safe to leave it to settle for another day or two. Really not eager to do bottling today.

My previous saison dropped down to 1.004; I'm happy with how this yeast is working out. Even allowing for a correction to the gravity due to temperature the gravity readings are still quite satisfying.
 
My saison turned out fantastic, I have another down now and a little more adventurous this time.

Very quickly falling in love with this style.

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Batz said:
My saison turned out fantastic, I have another down now and a little more adventurous this time.

Very quickly falling in love with this style.
Sorry, off topic but I have to ask.... What is that a collection of in the background?
 
Ive become a bit obsessed with saisons and farmhouse ales and have been making them only for the past year and a half, just using ambient temps and mainly using 3711 pitching 18ish and letting rise to whatever.

In Sydneys winter they still get to 22-24 and are pretty clean with the summer ones easily getting to 30+, they're fruitier and slightly tart.

Ive heard again and again that if you can keep the temp around 18-20ish for pitching and the first day or 2 of fermentation then that will restrict any nasty fusels then you can let it rise to where it wants to go and its all just adding character.

Having said that Ive just done my first no chill saison which only got down to 26C so I pitched the 3711 at that temp, it smells fruity as anything after a week in the bucket, so we'll see what happens.
 
I thought the whole point of saisons was so you could ferment at ambient? I've only done a couple but its a great way to fill the kegs after they've been decimated. I'm definitely a convert. I did my first one because I hadn't brewed in ages and my ferment fridge only fits one fermenter, The first one wasn't great but the second one was a cracking beer. Will be doing many more.
 
It depends. I keep saying this: The Wyeast 3711 French Saison specifies a temp range of between 18' and 25'. If using this I make sure it's in the fridge and doesn't go too high. If it's one of the Belgian strains then I tend to let them sit at ambient and do their thing.
 
Mr Wibble said:
I don't understand something, well there's a lot of things I don't understand, but in particular about historical Vs modern Saison.

As far as I've read, Saison was brewed in (what is now) southern Belgium & northern France during winter for the summer harvest workers.
Brewing a good harvest beer was important, because if you had good beer you were popular with the workers, and if you had bad beer, I reckon your harvest would be lower in priority (or maybe even DIY).

Now the average daily summer temperature for Belgium is probably somewhere around 25°C (23°C average for Antwerp in July). In winter it's ~ 6°C.

Q: How did we get to fermenting saisons at 30°C (or more) - is it simply because it's better that way?
Q: Are there any commercial examples of somewhat historically accurate Saison ?

Maybe I better read that beer style book on it.

I'm no expert and there are many opinions regarding temperature on here.
I brewed my first Saison a couple of weeks ago and came across this whilst looking for advice.

Modern saisons brewed in the USA tend to copy the yeast used by the Dupont Brewery, which ferments better at warmer temperatures—29 to 35 °C (84 to 95 °F)—than the standard 18 to 24 °C (64 to 75 °F) fermenting temperature used by other Belgian saison brewers
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saison
 
Just kegged and tasted my first saison. I'm a complete moron. Why haven't I been brewing this beer for years. Wyeast 3724 @ 19C for 1 day then ambient (brew shed's between 24C and 29C) onwards.
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3724 is my fave, num num!. They're all good though
 
Here Hare Here said:
Ive become a bit obsessed with saisons and farmhouse ales and have been making them only for the past year and a half, just using ambient temps and mainly using 3711 pitching 18ish and letting rise to whatever.

In Sydneys winter they still get to 22-24 and are pretty clean with the summer ones easily getting to 30+, they're fruitier and slightly tart.

Ive heard again and again that if you can keep the temp around 18-20ish for pitching and the first day or 2 of fermentation then that will restrict any nasty fusels then you can let it rise to where it wants to go and its all just adding character.

Having said that Ive just done my first no chill saison which only got down to 26C so I pitched the 3711 at that temp, it smells fruity as anything after a week in the bucket, so we'll see what happens.
-- Seems I might have pitched my slurry of 3711 & Brett mix rather than the clean 3711.
It reached 30C and now smells of galaxy hops but tastes like root beer or the antiseptic cream - Germolene.
10 days of dry hopping, grapefruit zest & juice has restored some balance but it is odd.
 
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