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An interesting topic....

On one hand you have an industry that all provide the same core product (water, yeast, malt, hops = beer). On the other hand, you have an industry with ever evolving technologies that increase their products performance year on year.

Subjective or not, it just feels like the large beer manufacturers tend to churn out very generic beer to suit the masses (Carlton Draught anyone?). With so many different Australian craft breweries producing fantastic beers and always evolving, is it really that un-fair that we judge the one dimensional big players so harshly?
 
Comparing Apples and Oranges, not only with the products, but also the consumers. There are many, many people out there that buy nike shoes, just as many people buy VB/XXXX. There are also many people out there that only buy hand crafted vegan friendly shoes, just as there are people who only buy micro-craft beer. There doesn't necessarily need to be a crossover between these groups. There are plenty of people out there happy to buy nike shoes, but like to drink craft beer. Just as there are people out there who only buy hand crafted vegan friendly shoes, but only drink VB.
 
moonhead said:
Comparing Apples and Oranges, not only with the products, but also the consumers. There are many, many people out there that buy nike shoes, just as many people buy VB/XXXX. There are also many people out there that only buy hand crafted vegan friendly shoes, just as there are people who only buy micro-craft beer. There doesn't necessarily need to be a crossover between these groups. There are plenty of people out there happy to buy nike shoes, but like to drink craft beer. Just as there are people out there who only buy hand crafted vegan friendly shoes, but only drink VB.
True...but do we as craft beer lovers treat VB drinkers the same as we do Nike wearers?
 
So is it ok for said micro craft brewers to contract out there production under a watchful eye to get their beer to the masses instead of only selling onsite.
 
I only drink good beer, not shit beer. Some good beer is mainstream, a fair bit of good beer to be had with fringe players. A lot of shit in both camps, including a lot of the "Craft" stuff. I have always preferred indy music (not all of it) over the shit on AM radio and almost never eat Macca's or Pizza Hut not because they are mega companies but because the food is shit.
 
tugger said:
So is it ok for said micro craft brewers to contract out there production under a watchful eye to get their beer to the masses instead of only selling onsite.
Touche!

I dont have all the answers, but just enjoy talking through peoples opinions, especially the grey areas as you talk about here!

Nice.
 
You all would be surprised how many (craft) Brewers do this.
 
chrisluki said:
True...but do we as craft beer lovers treat VB drinkers the same as we do Nike wearers?
Why would a craft beer drinkers give two hoots about what shoes someone wears? I don't (although sandals with socks is a really bad look), and nor do I care what beer someone else is drinking, so long as their not drinking mine
 
tugger said:
You all would be surprised how many (craft) Brewers do this.
I'm not too sure we'd be surprised at all. It's fairly well known that many 'craft' breweries (and others) contract out some or all of their brewing, with a watchful eye or otherwise. Not sure why it matters, unless it affects quality.
 
chrisluki said:
True...but do we as craft beer lovers treat VB drinkers the same as we do Nike wearers?
Seems to be a more personal thing than anything... I've met plenty of beer snobs, who really do think they are being personally offended when someone drinks VB in their vicinity. Myself, I couldn't care less (but I'll just have a water, thanks). Same thing with people wearing "craft" clothes, seen some that are snobby about it, sticking their nose up to anyone who dares bow to the man, and others that couldn't care less.
 
I think you're making a difficult comparison. Taking sports shoes - I'd suggest there isn't such an industry as a "craft sport shoe" manufacturer partly because it's such a technical and expensive product to make that requires heavy investment into R&D, that your "home shoe maker" simply couldn't hope to achieve. However, there are plenty of small scale shoe makers, making expensive and bespoke shoes. Those are far less technical products than running shoes. Some people might possibly only buy from those shoe makers but they're not necessarily the same people as those who drink craft beer. There's plenty of specialist watchmakers and tailors who make bespoke suits and shirts, but likewise you're not going to get a "craft smartphone maker" because it's not feasible.

I'm not sure we (certainly I, anyway) look at Nike with any less scorn than CUB or ABInBev, however with the case of running shoes or smartphones, there is no "small guy" to get behind.
 
Sports shoes made in China.
Australian craft beer made in Australia.
 
As per the general drift of other comments, I don't believe it's a fair comparison.

I drink a particular beer because I like it (or think I will like it), not because of who brewed it. That said, brewers build up a track record with their products that leads me to have preconceived ideas about any new beer I might consider from a brewer I had tried before. For example, I've had XXXX, VB, Carlton Draught, Tooheys New, etc in the past and drawn my own conclusions on these beers that will most likely lead me to make a choice not to drink one of their other beers. Nothing to do with the label on the bottle/tap/can, all to do with the taste.

In general, I'm far more likely to try a new beer from a "craft" brewer because I've had good beers from craft brewers in the past and generally I know that craft brewers are setting out create something that's all about the taste as opposed to selling the most product for the lowest possible unit costs. I've had crap beer from craft brewers in the past also and choose not to revisit those particular breweries for the same reasons as those listed above.

In the past, there wasn't an option to the big breweries (and there still isn't in large parts of the country if you're not prepared to mail order), so that's what I and others drank. Now there is a choice, so I choose the tastier option, which, in my opinion, is not the big breweries' offerings.

I choose my sneakers (I can't call them running shoes, because that would be a lie) based on my own perceived comfort/fit/performance and good/bad past experiences with a brand. Those shoes happen to come from large brands. Maybe there's a niche shoe maker industry somewhere that is yet to become widely available, but probably not.
 
“if your brewer was a sneaker brand, what would it be”.

New Balance I guess. Boston based footwear manufacturer. Good shoes. Probably explains my APA bent.

Actually these days, Merrell is my footwear of choice for its utilitarian qualities. I drink only Coopers whilst wearing them.

I do however keep a fake beard, ironic / retro t shirt and a pair of canvas low tops close to hand when I'm out and about just in case a hankering for a IIPA overwhelms me.
 
In my opinion it is much more accessible to get craft beer and be snobbish as it is a much smaller outlay in cost for a beer rather than shoes... Or surfboards for that fact.




But if I was able to afford it, I'd buy a delorian and get it to 86.
 
Dave70 said:
I do however keep a fake beard, ironic / retro t shirt and a pair of canvas low tops close to hand when I'm out and about just in case a hankering for a IIPA overwhelms me.
hahaha, nice one mate!!
 
jimmy86 said:
But if I was able to afford it, I'd buy a delorian and get it to 86.
No time travel for you my friend unless you get it up to 88!
Crank up that Flux Capacitor!
:)
 
I like American mainstream beers with the almost whiskey hint to the malt and the refreshing short finish.
When I'm in Dans I'm more likely to walk out with a 6 of Bud or Pabst than yet another orange coloured overhopped local offering from the Old Abbatoir Creek Brewery, inevitably called something silly such as The Screaming Shearer Imperial IPA or The Disembowelled Journeyman Imperial Red at $25 a 4 pack.

Ed, that's twice the price of 2 casks of honest fruity lexia.
 

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