Citra Hop

[Steve]

ive a double batch of all amarillo ale on tap at the moment (dry hopped in the keg with amarillo too), im going to dry hop the other keg with a handful of citra....

 

[THE DRUNK ARAB]

Chilling apparatus TDA?

In the cube haysie. Didn't affect flavour or aroma. If water restrictions are going to be lifted then
I will definately be breaking out the immersion chiller again.

TDA you are running @ 4.34 grams per liter was it in your face or pleasent
the brew that i did over the weekend is 6. something of nelson hop
they are both in the eleven % aa mark
would be good to hear what your tasting notes are
cheers speedie

Tasting notes??? Sorry speedie, no notes to be had but I can tell you at 6g a litre I think you will still be chugging down
plenty. Make sure you post how the outcome was for you.

C&B
TDA

 

[speedie]

tda we are old settling the brew at the moment so gives us a little more time for report

 

[speedie]

Formulation" for American pale ale
Target knockout volume of 400 litres
Target gravity 1058 or 14.5 degrees Plato
Based on system extract efficiency of 69%
Desired Plato 14.5 degrees
Kgs = 14.5 x 400 / 69 = 84 K/gs
Potential alcohol @ 75% attenuation = 1058 1012/ 7.5 = 6.13 %av



We want to achieve 5% dark crystal = 84 x .05 = 4.2 Kgs

Run with 5 Kgs for ease of numbers 84 5 = 79 Kgs

Grain bill 79 K/gs of pale malt (Kirin)
5 K/gs of dark crystal malt JW


Mash water 180 litres from 2.1 litres to one K/g of grain
Sparge water 350 liters of scheme water
let it stand overnight to liberate chlorine and next day adjust Ph with food grade phosphoric acid to 5.5 Ph
This will be a stiff mash and must be stirred during steps
Heat water to 56 degrees and dough in hold @ 51 degrees for 20 Mins

Adjust mash with food grade phosphoric acid to 5.5 Ph

Raise to 64 degrees and hold for 60 Mins
Raise to 71 degrees and hold for 10 Mins
Raise to 81 degrees and transfer to sparge vessel
Run to kettle when particulate has cleared
Sparge with ph adjusted water @ 77 degrees

Boil time one hour after collection of all wort into kettle

Hop selection

Citra @11.1 % AA
Nelson sauvin @11.5 % AA
Amarillo @8.2 % AA



Hop additions

15 mins into boil add citra 50 gms x 11.1aa x 24% ute = 3.33 Ibus
15 mins into boil add Amarillo 50 gms x 8.2aa x 24% ute = 2.46 Ibus

15 mins into boil add N/sauvin 25 gms x 11.5aa x 24% ute = 1.725 Ibus




30 mins into boil add citra 125 gms x 11.1aa x 20% ute = 6.93 Ibus
30 mins into boil add Amarillo 125 gms x 8.2aa x 20% ute = 5.12 Ibus

30 mins into boil add N/sauvin 75 gms x 11.5aa x 20% ute = 4.31 Ibus



35 mins into boil add citra 45 gms x 11.1aa x 18% ute = 2.2 Ibus
35 mins into boil add Amarillo 45 gms x 8.2aa x 18% ute = 1.66 Ibus

35 mins into boil add N/sauvin 25 gms x 11.5aa x 18% ute = 1.29 Ibus





40 mins into boil add citra 45 gms x 11.1aa x 16% ute = 1.99 Ibus
40 mins into boil add Amarillo 45 gms x 8.2aa x 16% ute = 1.47 Ibus

40 mins into boil add N/sauvin 25 gms x 11.5aa x 16% ute = 1.15 Ibus





45 mins into boil add citra 45 gms x 11.1aa x 14% ute = 1.74 Ibus
45 mins into boil add Amarillo 45 gms x 8.2aa x 14% ute = 1.29 Ibus



50 mins into boil add citra 45 gms x 11.1aa x 10% ute = 1.66 Ibus
50 mins into boil add Amarillo 45 gms x 8.2aa x 10% ute = 1.02 Ibus





55 mins into boil add citra 200 gms x 11.1aa x 5% ute = 2.77 Ibus





60 mins into boil add citra 100 gms x 11.1aa x 2% ute = 0.55 Ibus



Whirlpool let settle for 20 min chill areate and rack to ferementers

Add citra 420 gms x 11.1aa x 1% ute = 1.1 Ibus

total Ibus 43.7
Total hop 1.6 Kgs @ 4 Grams/ litre
hop break up citra 68%
amarilo 22%
nelson sauvin 10%



Yeast selection US 05 @ 76% attenuation

And northwestern wyeast

Split into two brews each one has single strain
Ferment @ 16 degrees for approximately 5-6 days
Transfer off yeast after completion of fermentation into Co2 flushed fermenter


After completion of fermentation rack off yeast and hops into Co2 flushed fermenters
And cold settle @ 2 degrees for two weeks then transfer to
Co2 flushed kegs and force carbonate
All comments welcome on proposed brew
cheers speedie

 

[kelbygreen]

you must be one thirsty bugger speedie haha, do you have access to a micro brewery?

 

[speedie]

One thing that I will mention when attempting a multiple hop addition is too have your additions weighted out prior to brewing

It is one major head phuck when doing everything else

Watch the kettles weigh the hop prepare the yeast

Anyway it was a good days brew and run by just two of us

 

[speedie]

manticle
sort of thought that you would intrested in watt the outcome was

 

[speedie]

to date us 05 in coolroom finished @1008(2 plato) north west batch still cooking
will be after xmas to give tasting notes

 

[Hatchy]

How many packets of 05 do you use for a 400L batch?

 

[speedie]

about 2/3 of a 500 gram pack
not sure but i think at is about 80 grams per hecta litre

 

[jasonharley]

I going to try the Coopers Pale Clone, but tweak it a little.

It'll be the same malt bill, but I'm going to change the hop schedule.

I'll do...

28 IBUs

18 IBU of POR for bittering
5 IBU of both Citra and Galaxy at 20mins for a bit of a citrus, passionfruit, etc kick.

Hopefully it turns out okay.

Hey Bullsneck ... how did it go?

I have a old Cooper Pale Ale can of extract I want to get rid of and have got some Citra hops ..... any suggestions on a recipe ????

Cheers

5 eyes

 

[speedie]

Both batches of beer have been cold settling for about three weeks now

Samples from both have been assessed and the northwest yeast batch has really estery notes and a small amount of resin coming through aroma but it is still quite hazy



The US05 brew is brilliant but seems to lack the complexity of the other batch

We plan to keg 200 liters this weekend so some positive tasting assumptions can be put forward



Without tasting I feel at this time there is a need too smash in more late ferment hop to get that epic effect

Cheers speedie

 

[Effect]

Both batches of beer have been cold settling for about three weeks now

Samples from both have been assessed and the northwest yeast batch has really estery notes and a small amount of resin coming through aroma but it is still quite hazy



The US05 brew is brilliant but seems to lack the complexity of the other batch

We plan to keg 200 liters this weekend so some positive tasting assumptions can be put forward



Without tasting I feel at this time there is a need too smash in more late ferment hop to get that epic effect

Cheers speedie

Hey mate, could you post some pics of your brewery? Would like to get an idea of what you are brewing on...send me a pm if you want.

Cheers
Phil

 

[speedie]

This brew is really nice it has fruity esters there is good head retention

It was sampled at a bbq last night and all that tried were impressed some comments were honey citrus resinous etc

My only concern is that it is hazy

It may drop with time will see what happens

Speedie



Dan I may have to up the hop rate a little more to obtain that flavor that I am desiring

 

[speedie]

the brew that was sampled is the north west yeast ferment and this post is about the US 05 batch
Update on brew to date

I transferred the entire brew to kegs last weekend

As another test I put 95 grams of Citra hop into one 60 liter keg which equates to 1.58 grams / liter for dry hopping

Let it stand for the week and test for hop effect

The initial aroma and flavor had strong resin effect (was cloudy ) but sadly after about two liters of drafting this faded which is disappointing to say the least

I have read here where people are using 4-5 plus grams /liter for hop effect

If so are any of you losing that resin rush after some time of drafting your brew

Lets face it we are only here for the beer

speedie

 

[mika]

I chatted to Dave from Mountain Goat at the ANHC Gala Dinner, need to e-mail him and get the full recipe, he seemed very open to sharing any information on it.

Notes I took down from his presentation for the hop schedule;
Galaxy up front (this may mean bittering, I didn't take enough notes)
Citra hops late in the boil
Galaxy in the hop back
Galaxy and Citra dry hop

No cascade.... and I was taking notes as he spoke.
I now have Citra... already had Galaxy and the rye, a clone attempt is coming up soon.

Edit: Only Galaxy in the hopback

Ok, so saw the BN was interviewing the head brewer on one of the Sunday Sessions, so sent off a quick email which got read on the air and Jayne happily gave us the information.
Little bit different to what I had noted down, so perhaps 3 days of solid drinking altered all of our perceptions on the night.

1050 OG
50 IBU
~1012 FG

58% Trad Ale
20% Rye
15% Wheat
7% Pale Crystal (Not sure what they mean by that ? Carapils/hell or something of that nature ?)

67C Mash

POR for bittering (Contributing 40IBU)
Citra 10min before flameout (for the other 10IBU)
Galaxy dry hopped and I believe the technical term was 'a shitload'

Ferment with US-05 @ 18C.

So no mention of a hopback and just Galaxy as the dry hop.
Apparently as part of their cooling process they do let the wort 'stand' for 1/2hr before pumping from the kettle to the chillers.

I would have thought there was more going on than that small amount of Citra and a bunch of Galaxy.

 

[beerdrinkingbob]

show us your brew rig Speedie, what are you using?

 

[speedie]

mika what brew are you discussing
do the goat boys put this up for public tasting

my batch that was sampled tonight has the start to something good then seems to get lost in tasting
it was tried after a wheat beer that we where sampling then i swaped kegs to the US 05 brew has a good profile
but prefer the north west batch better
i will put it in the perth beer show and get some judging feed back
dam those beer critics

i still feel that citra and galaxy are one in the same

 

[DJR]

Citra and Galaxy might taste the same but they certainly ain't the same hop.

Citra
This newer American variety is a cross of Hallertauer Mittelfruh, U.S. Tettnanger, East Kent Golding, Bavarian, Brewers Gold and other unknown hops.

Galaxy
Australian high alpha dual purpose triploid cultivar with a marked and unique hop aroma, described as a combination of citrus and passionfruit. Bred in 1994 by Hop Products Australia by crossing a female tetraploid (J78) with a male derived from Perle.

 

[bum]

I'm getting a bit tired of reading that garbage. If you can't tell the difference say they're too similar for you to bother making a distinction - don't assert they are the same thing (I remember someone once asserted hops from China were exactly the same thing as similar cultivars grown in the US and Europe... h34r: ).

Do a brew with both Galaxy and Citra - I guarantee it will taste different to a smash brewed with either hop.

[EDIT: I edited something]