Challenger

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Planning an all Challenger IPA this weekend.

Wyeast 1026 is on the stir plate in anticipation.

Whilst a 1 malt, 1 hop IPA is something i want to do i cant help but add extra complexity to the malt backbone.

Anything wrong with my thinking or should i simplify and stick to the base malt?

5.25 kg Pale Malt, Maris Otter (Thomas Fawcett) (5.9 EBC) Grain 91.30 %
0.20 kg Amber Malt (Bairds) (100.0 EBC) Grain 3.48 %
0.20 kg Wheat, Torrified (3.3 EBC) Grain 3.48 %
0.10 kg Chocolate Malt, Pale (Bairds) (700.0 EBC) Grain 1.74 %
40.00 gm Challenger [7.90 %] (60 min) Hops 34.8 IBU
15.00 gm Challenger [7.90 %] (20 min) Hops 7.9 IBU
15.00 gm Challenger [7.90 %] (10 min) Hops 4.7 IBU
20.00 gm Challenger [7.90 %] (0 min) Hops -
0.50 items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 min) Misc
1 Pkgs British Cask Ale (Wyeast Labs #1026) [Starter 1500 ml] Yeast-Ale

21L
OG 1.060
IBU 47
EBC 26

Planning on mashing at 67 and contemplating a decoction mashout.

Kicking this off with near on a week for this recipe to be chopped and changed at least 10 times before brewday (this weekend)..... :lol:

You just love wheat, amber and choc malt don't you?

 

[drsmurto]

You just love wheat, amber and choc malt don't you?

Guilty as charged your honour....

You dont know how hard it was to not put a decent whack of munich in there!

 

[drsmurto]

Stepped up the 1026 starter last night to 1.5L.

Surprised i havent got more comments on the recipe.

I simplified it myself to 98% ale, 2% pale choc for colour. Decided i needed a simplified recipe to get a better understanding of challenger.

1026 starter smells gorgeous, was tempting to neck it so cant wait. Had a blackout last night so stirrer switched off. This yeast flocs out super quick, faster than 1187 or 1968.

 

[THE DRUNK ARAB]

Hi Dr S,

I'll comment !
I like the looks of what your doing with a simpler grain bill!
Challenger are my favourite English hop and you will, as you say, get a better understanding of what they contribute to your IPA!
Good luck with it and let me know when it's on tap :chug: !

C&B
TDA

 

[SJW]

This is my std. Bitter recipe and I would normally use Challenger and Northdown but decidied to give Pilgrim a go instead. It smells way better than Challenger and higher IBU too. But I have no problem with Challenger or Northdown

#86 English Bitter
Extra Special/Strong Bitter (English Pale Ale)


Type: All Grain
Date: 28/02/2009
Batch Size: 26.00 L
Brewer: Stephen Wright
Boil Size: 31.86 L Asst Brewer:
Boil Time: 75 min Equipment: My Gear
Taste Rating(out of 50): 0.0 Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00
Taste Notes:

Ingredients

Amount Item Type % or IBU
5000.00 gm Pale Malt, Ale (Barrett Burston) (5.9 EBC) Grain 71.43 %
1000.00 gm Crystal Malt - Medium (Thomas Fawcett) (145.0 EBC) Grain 14.29 %
1000.00 gm Maize, Flaked (Thomas Fawcett) (3.9 EBC) Grain 14.29 %
30.00 gm Goldings, East Kent [5.80 %] (Dry Hop 3 days) Hops -
30.00 gm Pilgrim [10.80 %] (60 min) Hops 28.5 IBU
30.00 gm Pilgrim [10.80 %] (20 min) Hops 17.2 IBU
30.00 gm Bramling Cross [5.00 %] (20 min) Hops 8.0 IBU
0.60 items Whirlfloc Tablet (Boil 15.0 min) Misc
1 Pkgs London ESB Ale (Wyeast Labs #1968) Yeast-Ale



Beer Profile

Est Original Gravity: 1.062 SG
Measured Original Gravity: 1.051 SG
Est Final Gravity: 1.018 SG Measured Final Gravity: 0.000 SG
Estimated Alcohol by Vol: 5.70 % Actual Alcohol by Vol: 0.00 %
Bitterness: 53.7 IBU Calories: 0 cal/l
Est Color: 29.7 EBC Color: Color


Mash Profile

Mash Name: Single Infusion, Medium Body Total Grain Weight: 7000.00 gm
Sparge Water: 13.87 L Grain Temperature: 20.0 C
Sparge Temperature: 75.6 C TunTemperature: 20.0 C
Adjust Temp for Equipment: TRUE Mash PH: 5.4 PH

Single Infusion, Medium Body Step Time Name Description Step Temp
60 min Mash In Add 15.00 L of water at 73.0 C 65.0 C
10 min Mash Out Add 10.00 L of water at 95.4 C 76.0 C

 

[warrenlw63]

You chaps just reminded me I'd better get cracking and keg my Challenger Summer Bitter. B)

Warren -

 

[drsmurto]

Hi Dr S,

I'll comment !
I like the looks of what your doing with a simpler grain bill!
Challenger are my favourite English hop and you will, as you say, get a better understanding of what they contribute to your IPA!
Good luck with it and let me know when it's on tap :chug: !

C&B
TDA

2 kegs of TTL to get thru first and thats after the Ruddles and the Deuchars IPA.....

You chaps just reminded me I'd better get cracking and keg my Challenger Summer Bitter. B)

Warren -

recipe please gov.

 

[warrenlw63]

You should like it Dr... Has one of your fave yeasts.

Yorkie SA

A ProMash Recipe Report

Recipe Specifics
----------------

Batch Size (L): 45.00 Wort Size (L): 45.00
Total Grain (kg): 9.20
Anticipated OG: 1.052 Plato: 12.96
Anticipated EBC: 13.2
Anticipated IBU: 34.6
Brewhouse Efficiency: 80 %
Wort Boil Time: 90 Minutes


Grain/Extract/Sugar

% Amount Name Origin Potential EBC
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
65.2 6.00 kg. BB Ale Malt Australia 1.038 8
21.7 2.00 kg. JWM Wheat Malt Australia 1.040 4
10.9 1.00 kg. Weyermann Munich II Germany 1.038 20
2.2 0.20 kg. BB Caramalt Australia 1.036 40

Potential represented as SG per pound per gallon.


Hops

Amount Name Form Alpha IBU Boil Time
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
33.00 g. Northern Brewer Pellet 9.50 22.6 60 min.
20.00 g. Challenger Pellet 7.90 5.8 30 min.
20.00 g. Challenger Pellet 7.90 3.8 20 min.
20.00 g. Challenger Pellet 7.90 2.3 10 min.
30.00 g. Challenger Pellet 7.90 0.0 Dry Hop


Extras

Amount Name Type Time
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
0.00 Oz Irish Moss Fining 15 Min.(boil)


Yeast
-----

WYeast 1469 West Yorkshire



Warren -

 

[warra48]

I am about to bottle a Hobgoblin inspired English Ale, fermented with WY1469.

Hop schedule:
26.00 gm First Gold '06 [7.90 %] (60 min) Hops 21.3 IBU
28.00 gm Styrian Goldings [2.30 %] (20 min) Hops 4.0 IBU
20.00 gm Challenger '06 [7.90 %] (20 min) Hops 9.9 IBU
23.00 gm Styrian Goldings [2.30 %] (0 min) Hops -
15.00 gm Challenger '06 [7.90 %] (0 min) Hops -
20.00 gm Challenger '06 [7.90 %] (Dry Hop 10 days)Hops -

So my vote is for a great hop.

 

[drsmurto]

SO any thoughts on a mash temp for the all challenger IPA with 98% ale, 2% pale choc, OG 1.059 and 49 IBU?

I was thinking 67/68. I want plenty of malt body.

Warra - early tastings? I usually combine Fuggles and Styrians in a Hobgoblin so interested to hear how challenger goes.

 

[SJW]

I dont think I would bother with Challenger again after using Pilgrim. Very similar but much better imo. Very clean.

PILGRIM:

Brewing Quality
In brewing trials Pigrim has performed well as a replacement for high alpha or dual purpose hops. Because of its alpha it has been compared to Target more than any other variety. It has however a much hoppier aroma than Target due to its higher levels of Humulene and Challenger-like Selinene levels. From early storage trials stability of the alpha acids in Pilgrim seem to be excellent.

Origin/History
Pilgrim is a mid-late ripening very Wilt resistant dual-purpose variety (9 - 13% alpha) which was developed at HRI Wye and released in 2000. It has the same father as First Gold and Herald although it is not a dwarf variety.

Agronomics
Pilgrim has a very vigorous growth habit and has good resistance to both powdery and downy mildew. It has shown to be the most Wilt resistant variety to date and is a very high yielder.

Analytical Information
Alpha Acid: % 9-13
Alpha/Beta Ratio: 2.4:1
Beta Acid: % 4.3-5.0
Co-humulone: (%A.Acid) 36-38
Total Oil: % 1.8

Oil Composition
Caryophyllene: 7.3%
Farnesene: 0.3%
Humulene: 16.9%
Myrcene: 36%
Selinene: 8.6%

 

[mje1980]

Big fan of challenger, excellent hop. I use it for everything, bittering FWH, late. Haven't used it in a while ( just got 450g of first gold, mmmm ), but will use it again for sure. IM pretty sure i've done 100% challenger bitter, and it was great. Also, i've used it in the keg with great results.

 

[Steve]

After getting 250gms of Challenger yesdy im doing this tomorrow. (Thanks Dr K/Mashmatics)

Mentally Challenged Ale

90% BB Pale
10% Wheat

May chuck a splash of cararoma and a sprinkle of roast

Challenger to 35-40 IBUS

One fermenter with Wyeast 1335 the other WLP002

Cheers
Steve

 

[PhilA]

:icon_cheers: Challenger hops in Dr Sumoto's TTL as bittering just for a variation on a lovely recipe came out beautiful
Cheers Phil :icon_chickcheers:

 

[Bribie G]

Challenger is a great all purpose Pom hop, for anyone reading this I'm bringing along to today's QLD case swap a couple of litres of Camerons Strongarm tribute with 50g Challenger 90 mins and 15g Styrian Goldings 10 mins. A match made in heaven.

 

[3G]

I love challenger for bittering in strong english ales.

 

[3G]

I dont think I would bother with Challenger again after using Pilgrim. Very similar but much better imo. Very clean.

Interesting, ill have to order some next order instead. Always keen to try something i havent used before.

 

[THE DRUNK ARAB]

SO any thoughts on a mash temp for the all challenger IPA with 98% ale, 2% pale choc, OG 1.059 and 49 IBU?

I was thinking 67/68. I want plenty of malt body.

Warra - early tastings? I usually combine Fuggles and Styrians in a Hobgoblin so interested to hear how challenger goes.

I tried Dr S's all challenger IPA the other day and gotta say it was bloody sensational.
So good in fact it's on my to brew list as soon as winter is over.

C&B
TDA

 

[drsmurto]

I tried Dr S's all challenger IPA the other day and gotta say it was bloody sensational.
So good in fact it's on my to brew list as soon as winter is over.

C&B
TDA

Keg blew dry yesterday TDA

Luckily i had just bottled several stubbies off for comps/swaps. :super:

 

[BoilerBoy]

Keg blew dry yesterday TDA

Luckily i had just bottled several stubbies off for comps/swaps. :super:

Excellent....I think He's got one with my name on it :icon_drool2:

BB