I used TF Pale Choc Malt and Carafa Special in my Trough Lolly Porter - very nice roasted coffee flavours although I think I overdid it with 250g! A cold version of my Gaggia expresso's!!wessmith said:JM, Kilncoffee is a Belgian pale chocolate of about 450 EBC. Have you tried the TF Pale Chocolate? This is around 500 EBC and is described as giving a "smooth coffee flavour". I like it especially in a dark porter.